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by Ygg2 678 days ago
Consider this, those that command most resources will be able to get this tech, not you. This isn't everyone gets an iPhone. It's the richest get the best health insurance.
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If it was invented in isolation of all other tech, it would still be in the interests of the rich that everyone else got to use it.

More users, more awareness of limitations and side effects and how to treat them.

Longer working lives for the labour force, less need for expensive pensions and expensive old age care.

But this isn't in isolation, the changes to AI and robotics, even without AGI/ASI or von Neumann replication, will make us unfathomably better off by 2050 (and with, no more labour). What does "rich" even mean when anti-aging stops being a choice between "snake oil" and "in mice"?

> It would still be in the interests of the rich that everyone else got to use it.

Why though? More users? Economy is already moving to a free-to-pay model. You earn more catering to rich people than the middle class/poor. Look at hardware nVidia is earning more extracting money from the richest people buying 4090 and 4080 than from rest, and that's dwarfed by their AI offerings.

The way I see it, basically you earn money from whales, rich people and you toss breadcrumbs to the rest.

Why is in the subsequent paragraphs:

> More users, more awareness of limitations and side effects and how to treat them.

> Longer working lives for the labour force, less need for expensive pensions and expensive old age care

First, it's easier to do test on undocumented, homeless and rights deprived people than regular citizens.

Second. If you're that far in the future, the labor will be automatized, who's going to rebel? The automatons?

> First, it's easier to do test on undocumented, homeless and rights deprived people than regular citizens.

Not if you want to do long term analysis, and rule out confounding variables like the impact of sleeping rough.

Though even if you did, that would still be a demonstration that it won't just be for the rich. Weird demo, suboptimal science, but nevertheless you've now got homeless people stuffed with anti-aging drugs.

> Second. If you're that far in the future, the labor will be automatized, who's going to rebel? The automatons?

It might be automated, but then there's no longer a meaningful distinction between rich and poor. A genuinely fully automated economy, all it takes is one person with a von Neumann replicator to decide everyone should have one, followed by log_2(population)*replication_period, before everyone has them. The former is 33, so even if they take a year starting from bashing rocks with pickaxes, this would still be less than half the current human life expectancy.

A better question is who would want to rebel?

> Weird demo, suboptimal science, but nevertheless you've now got homeless people stuffed with anti-aging drugs.

Anti-aging drug. Not anti death drug. We don't keep more lab rats than we need. Not to mention lab rats aren't known for their quality of life. You aren't going to wait thousand years. You'll find a way to induce aging. Then run a battery of tests.

> It might be automated, but then there's no longer a meaningful distinction between rich and poor. A genuinely fully automated economy, all it takes is one person with a von Neumann replicator to decide everyone should have one

Yeah, no. First that is not necessary for full automation. Second. It's a replicator, not a magic entropy defying system. Energy for it has to come from somewhere and they aren't free.