[HashiramaInc]

There's about 2x more people on the market right now vs pre pandemic around 2019 and at least 1/3 as many positions available.

So it's at least 5 times as many applicants per position.

When you got 10 people to pass step 1, and 5 people to pass step 2, and 3 people to pass step 3, its not that hard to send a "thanks but we need someone with xyz skill".

Now, the reasons are even more random and arbitrary.

Now you might have 100 people pass step 1, and 50 people to pass step 2, and 30 people to pass step 3. So companies are pickier, but also they tend to reject you more randomly.

I've done a few interviews and they would say stuff that basically said "i'm not really listening just browsing reddit while you're talking"

Kinda sad

[nalleyne]

I mean, even a generic rejection would be preferable to radio silence. It keeps my hopes up, thinking I'll eventually hear something back with enough time/patience. This whole process is just brutal

[nextos]

It's extremely unprofessional they don't send generic rejections using some applicant tracking system.

IMHO, organizations that behave like this tend to be dysfunctional. I am sure they are also more likely to ignore customer complaints, etc.

[filoleg]

> organizations that behave like this tend to be dysfunctional

Disagreed. The only thing this means is that their recruiting process is dysfunctional. That doesn’t mean that it would automatically lead to poor hiring decisions and suboptimal candidates getting hired (and thus making the company dysfunctional). A dysfunctional recruiting process could also be biased towards high false negatives (aka a lot of deserving candidates not getting hired) without being accompanied by high false positives (aka a lot of bad candidates getting hired).

> I am sure they are also more likely to ignore customer complaints

This is not directly relevant to the experience of an employee at such a company.

Look, I do not approve of those practices. I believe that every candidate deserves a closure on the status of their application, even if it is something as low-bar as an automated rejection. I also believe that good customer support is a sign of a company being enjoyable to work at. However, the absence of those is not necessarily an indicator of a good workplace imo. And the opposite could be true as well. E.g., Amazon customer support being top notch and going above and beyond what I expected of them as a user, but they also have by far the most obnoxious recruiting experience I’ve ever encountered. And the stories from my friends who worked there just made me never consider working there ever, just from the quality of it as a workplace.

And, for context, the list of companies I have on that list is so tiny, it could be counted on half of a singular hand.

[nextos]

Obviously it's not perfect indicator, but if a company lacks standard procedures it is a probable sign of mismanagement or lack of management.

Maybe it is still nice to work there, but it will slowly fall apart.

[HashiramaInc]

It could be better. On the bright side, if you have a good fit with the right startup, it could be like 2-3 weeks from first contact to offer.

Lots of tiny shops move quick, but may need some sort of differentiator (highly relevant experience, a blog, cool portfolio/project, etc)

[meiraleal]

So the problem lies in your expectation

[karrieberrie553]

Yeah, the courtesy to reply to people who engaged with your hiring process. Such high expectations

[nalleyne]

Yeah I mean I don’t really feel like it’s asking for too much to get a no. I understand companies are worried about the legal implications that could stem from giving specifics, but hearing “we chose to move forward with another candidate” doesn’t seem like too much to ask for lol

[meiraleal]

Yeah now think about the people you left hanging some times in your life.

You can't remember? Maybe it is because you don't care about them too.