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by acdha 685 days ago
> If Christians went around calling Muslim's "Christ-deniers" instead of Muslims, how well do you think that would help tensions and resolution?

We could ask both of them to scientifically prove their faith and we’ll go with the successful one?

That’s facetious, of course, but it illustrates why this isn’t a valid comparison: religious faith is by definition dealing with things which cannot be measured scientifically while human-caused climate change has been the scientific consensus for half a century and has been rigorously tested using a wide variety of independent lines of evidence. Saying someone is denying that is valid because it’s a testable claim which can be rationally examined and independently confirmed, whereas a personal religious statement cannot because the successful religions in the modern era have evolved not to make claims which can be evaluated scientifically.

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Why don't we call people who believe the earth is flat (with their own science that they think backs it up) "round-earth deniers"?

Do you think that would help or hinder the situation if we did?

They’re called science denier, which isn’t much different, and “flat earther” has a significantly negative connotation as well. I think the term matters less than pushing things into the appropriate context: leave religion a person choice but reinforce the secular world as following rational principles.
I don't call them a science denier - which is about the most self-contradictory term anyone could come up with. Science is the process of questioning and doubting prior science. You're not "denying science" to question science.

I call them "flat-earthers", as that's something that is usefully descriptive of their views and that they themselves seem happy to be called.

That is, it's a name that doesn't also necessarily insult them, which as I see it serves no useful purpose for anyone and simply causes antagonism and less of an ability to successfully communicate.

Which, by the way, is the only working solution to disagreement.

Probably help, as that's the nicest thing I've seen someone call them.