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by mistercow 691 days ago
It’s going to be fascinating to see what new laser resistant weeds and bugs come out of this.
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That’s probably not possible for the same reason that we don’t get bacteria resistant to things like ethanol and bleach.

https://ehs.weill.cornell.edu/pathogen-resistance-and-disinf...

> bacteria resistant to things like [...] bleach.

About that... https://www.microbiologyresearch.org/content/journal/micro/1...

Endospores are a reduced form of the bacteria meant to survive extreme conditions, but they’re not the bacteria itself. Once the spore is reactivated and the outer protective shell is lost, it becomes just as vulnerable to bleach as any other bacteria.
Are you sure? This article claims that we are seeing bacteria evolve to better tolerate alcohols: https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/322646#Alcohol-res...
The paper is titled ” Increasing tolerance of hospital Enterococcus faecium to _handwash_ alcohols” [1]. They’re tolerating small concentrations of alcohol used in hand sanitizer, not a concentrated disinfectant.

[1] https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/scitranslmed.aar6115

Thank you for the interesting article!

The response letter at the bottom- “Is the effectiveness of alcohol-based handrubs against enterococci really compromised?” by INGEBORG SCHWEBKE has some interesting counterpoints and implies they used 23% isopropanol instead of 70%, which is not enough to sterilize.

The concentration of alcohol in hand sanitizers is like 70%, not small.
Laser resistance can take a lot of forms. In the case of weeds, I’d bet that cat briers are already effectively laser proof. You can burn them down, but they send off shoots and store up massive amounts of energy in fragmented little potatoes. Miss any of them, and they come back up and keep going.

So that’s one solution, and it’s a big space for biology to play in. The bigger question will probably be whether or not there’s a route where weeds can make incremental progress toward better resistance from where they are right now.

For insects, as someone else pointed out, the easiest route is probably mimicry. But we might also see insects capable of recognizing the laser bots, noticing the chemical signals of burning bugs, etc.

I'm imagining a field full of chrome-plated beetles and metallic, reflective grasses, haha
Or perhaps Vavilovian mimicry (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vavilovian_mimicry) that can fool the computer vision weed classifier.
I’d expect the robots to evolve faster than the bugs.
but I rather be lazier, and have a low effort lifestyle rather than be engaged in an arms race against insect lifeforms!

and I said this becase I take "robots evolving" to mean tech workers being pressured to work by their bosses

I think if you asked a farmer, "buy laser robots" is a lot lazier than "deal with insect pests".

Robots evolving would be someone signing off on the investment of doing a big compute run.

Most likely they will become AI-resistant.

PS: I know the above was a joke, but it shows people embrace the power of AI so much they can see the weeds withstanding lasers before they can withstand AI classification.

Why would that develop?

The only reason why crops needs to have resistens now is because we treat the entire field with the stuff.

With lasers, you can treat the individual item.

GP wasn't talking about crops, but about the selective pressure that would be placed on weeds to better survive laser attacks. I could imagine that weeds would either develop heat resistance or would change appearance to make detection harder.
Changing appearance to avoid detection is as old a agriculture. In fact it's why we have some foods we enjoy now. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vavilovian_mimicry
The OP is making a joke.
Skipped right over the bulletproof bugs…
there already are mirror like beetles, maybe weeds will catch up to that :D