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by klyrs 679 days ago
No, I am not okay with compulsion... you're asking me at which point has the government given enough gifts to justify authoritarianism. And I'm telling you, I don't accept your authoritarianism, and there may be a path forward that doesn't require it.
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dmitrygr 679 days ago
> there may be a path forward that doesn't require it.

pray tell

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klyrs 679 days ago
I said so upthread, Harlem River House is the model. Government building out large and livable housing.
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Cupertino95014 679 days ago
Did you also say that compulsion is OK, if Harlem River House-level housing is available?

A little research shows this to be a New Deal project that doesn't seem particularly replicable or sustainable:

https://www.courthousenews.com/harlem-public-housing-tenants...

https://pix11.com/news/3-big-problems-plague-harlem-river-ho...

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klyrs 679 days ago
Holy shit, for the third time in a row, no, I am not okay with authoritarianism. I said that with sufficient housing, it should not be necessary. No. No compulsion.
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UIUC_06 679 days ago
> it should not be necessary

there's that juvenile sentiment again. And there "shouldn't" be any burglaries, car thefts, armed robbery, or murder, either. Nevertheless, they've always existed and always will. And compulsion will always be a part of the civilized state.

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klyrs 678 days ago
My "should" is well supported in global trends. And American exceptionalism in this regard is self-perpetuating.
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UIUC_06 679 days ago
OK, I think we have it, finally: you think people are entitled to live on the street. Good to know.

"There may be a path forward" -- weasel words.

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klyrs 679 days ago
> "There may be a path forward" -- weasel words.

Or, humility. Nothing is certain in civic planning. But I suspect you'd jump on me if I claimed it was a foolproof plan, wouldn't you? But it's observed all over the world: in places where housing is affordable and available, there isn't a homelessness crisis. Most homeless people don't wanna be. Remove them, and the community goes away, and with it, all but a very few diehards that exist in practically every city.

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Cupertino95014 679 days ago
Really? Name some of your ideal cities. We'll check and see what their policies are for sleeping on the streets.

So if they do force people to move on, despite this "affordable and available" housing, that pretty well destroys your argument, doesn't it? Because all compulsion is bad, as you said.

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