[azinman2]

To be fair, there’s a large delta between homeless shelters and the Fairmont. I’ve read a lot of women feel unsafe in them as it’s not exactly private and secure. Of course neither is the streets, but you can try and create more distance.

I have a lot of sympathy for those in this situation. It’s a tough place to be, and many won’t get out of it for a wide variety of reasons.

[inamberclad]

You also can't take your belongings, and people have nowhere else to put their things.

[UIUC_06]

Where are you getting that information?

https://svdp-sf.org/navigation-center/

"Among the unique features of the Center are the capacity for couples to shelter together, bring in pets, and have clients possessions stored. "

[Cupertino95014]

So here's a question for you: is there ANY definition of "housing" under which you'd be willing to compel homeless people to take it, under penalty of fines & jail? Please tell us.

[AlbertCory]

I notice no one cares to answer this, but they do seem to be downvoting it. I wonder why? Because they think living on the streets is an unconditional right?

[UIUC_06]

Nonetheless, no city is responsible for providing pleasant housing for everyone who comes there. The law on that is now quite clear.

[hobs]

If you cant offer something better than jail why stay out of jail?

[drblastoff]

The point is that you don’t incentivize moving to SF with no money and no job and no prospects and living on the street until you get free housing.

Newsom tried this while he was mayor. His conclusion was that for every person they put in housing, two new people showed up on the street.

Another issue was that most people they put into “temporary” supportive housing never moved out. A significant portion of SF’s budget goes towards paying for the housing of formerly homeless people. The city won’t put them out on the street, so why would they ever leave?

[Cupertino95014]

So you're saying "let's put them in jail?"

[maerF0x0]

>"than jail why stay out of jail?

to me their sentence reads more like if the shelter is worse than prison, might as well do something to get into prison.

[literallycancer]

Can't blame people for not using shelters if you make them feel like a prison.

Would you use a shelter where you can't control light switches, get woken up by a siren, get your stuff stolen, probably have to share showers and kitchen with junkies, if you are even allowed to cook your own food?

[UIUC_06]

https://svdp-sf.org/what-we-do/msc-shelter/

For most of those, I either don't find any support, or it's actually contradicted ("get your stuff stolen").

"cook your own food" -- how do they manage that if they live on the street?

VDP does mention:

"fully-functioning computer lab

free weekly haircuts

shower and laundry facilities"

So I think you are mostly making stuff up.