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by rufus_foreman 687 days ago
>> I feel like this is almost always due to education around modern money systems.

I don't think it is a matter of education, at least for me it is instinctual. If I get a large amount of money, I am going to invest most of it and it would never occur to me to do otherwise. When I get a paycheck, I am going to invest part of that paycheck first before I spend any of it, and it would never occur to me to do otherwise. I did that when I was making minimum wage.

This wasn't taught, my parents did not do that and my siblings do not do that. I don't think it is inherited. The collector gene is, my father and grandfather had that gene and I think it is related, but the investor trait is something additional. I don't know where I came up with that. It has made things in my life hard in the short run sometimes and very easy in the long run.

You can educate people all you want, but when they get money, most of them are going to decide well I need this and I need that so I can't save any money this time. Maybe next paycheck. That's what my family did, my friends, my girlfriends.

There's a Bukowski poem he wrote about his father's investment advice:

"I can pay for this house in my lifetime,

then it's mine.

when I die I pass it on to you.

now in your lifetime you can acquire a house

and then you'll have two houses

and you'll pass those two houses on to your

son, and in his lifetime he acquires a house,

then when he dies, his son -

I get it, I said."

What did he do?

"I gambled and drank away the money."

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I have not heard of that poem, thanks for sharing!

With respect to education around money systems, I am referring more to (a) knowing that investing is necessary but insufficient and (b) understanding the main drivers (besides spending) of wealth loss: inflation and taxation.

It's hard (even for successful, intelligent people) to wrap their head around the fact that their $1m house that ballooned up to $2m over the last 25 years has in fact, lost value.

>It's hard (even for successful, intelligent people) to wrap their head around the fact that their $1m house that ballooned up to $2m over the last 25 years has in fact, lost value.

Anything to back that up? I spent some time searching online and every source strongly disagrees with your assessment of house prices vs. inflation. And the tax argument also fails here, since two people who own a home can exclude half a million realized gain from tax altogether, or leave it entirely tax free to heirs.

Not saying a home isn't a good investment. But on average, home prices have risen 4% y.o.y. in the US. Inflation target is 2% but is much closer to 4%. If you sell your house for $1m more than you bought it for, you can exclude 500K from capital gains, but you're still paying cap gains on the other 500K.

Bottom line: assume a 1% real profit y.o.y. on your home, then factor in closing costs (8%), and. then cap. gains on the profit. You didn't make as much as you think.