[bandie91]

people still believe they have a self-consistent world view when they dismiss the extra-natural world just because it is not accessible by natural means. it's like "there are no forests because you can't drive in them because there are no motorways in them"

[wruza]

If a world can only be accessed through very specific patterns in neuron activity, but not through “natural” physical measurements, this world is imaginary by definition.

Millions of dollars are awaiting those who can confidently sync their imagination at a distance, but all these people who claim these objective worlds real are traditionally “above money”, keeping us in the dark.

[paulryanrogers]

What other 'means' are there besides 'natural' ones?