[filoleg]

Sure, but the major difference is that Waymo already operates a real service accessible to absolutely anyone in certain cities that actually transports passengers from point A to point B with no driver present in the car. Tesla FSD is not at that point yet.

I am not even saying this as some Tesla FSD hater, I used it a ton over the years and am generally happy with it. But claiming that, in its current state, it has a lead over Waymo is a bit questionable.

[93po]

waymo is using an approach that is inherently limited and not scalable. they went for short term gains at the expense of knee-capping themselves long term. it's a fundamentally less robust approach.

FSD is really, really close. The recent 12.5 software is a big step forward for them, and their rate of improvement is really, really fast these days.

i appreciate the level headed discussion

[filoleg]

Fair point about recent software updates, I can definitely believe that (I moved to a place where a car is not a necessity at the beginning of this year, so I didnt get to test the recent updates myself).

However, I can still see someone claiming that Waymo might have an edge in some form as a fair take, given they indeed have something that FSD, at the moment, doesn’t (which is full operation with no driver). Whether that is a viable long-term approach compared to FSD (or whether it is hitting the ceiling that FSD doesn’t have) is a solid point though.