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by hpen 692 days ago
This is a valid opinion and I don't know why you were downvoted (well other than the hacker news bubble mindset (or mindless-set).

How is Microsoft not to blame, it's their product? We wouldn't blame a Toyota supplier for a failure in a car, but we somehow segment that in the software world?
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vel0city 691 days ago
Toyota chose the supplier, worked with them on the specs and designs, and put it in their OE car delivered to the customer. It has Toyota's name on it, it was bought at a Toyota dealership, is a part of Toyota's warranty.

Crowdstrike is entirely optional software that doesn't come from Microsoft. Microsoft doesn't market it. Microsoft had no hand in making it. Microsoft doesn't sell it. Microsoft had no hand in a user installing Crowdstrike.

Do you not see the obvious differences there?

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Sohcahtoa82 691 days ago
> How is Microsoft not to blame, it's their product?

Do you think Crowdstrike is a Microsoft product?

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hpen 691 days ago
No. My point is that Microsoft allows the damn thing to be ran in kernel space. Mac, linux don't have this problem due to how THEY architected the system. Yes I think that puts Microsoft at blame.
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Bjartr 691 days ago
> linux don't have this problem due to how THEY architected the system

This is incorrect. CrowdStrike caused a similar "won't boot after update was pushed" issue on Linux earlier this year, see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41005936

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vel0city 691 days ago
> Microsoft allows

Microsoft should have no say to decide what software I am allowed to run on my computer.

> Mac, linux don't have this problem due to how THEY architected the system.

You're joking right? You're arguing kernel panics can't happen on Linux? FFS, the CrowdStrike sensor caused kernel panics on multiple Linux distros in the last few months! Linux is not immune to kernel panics for buggy kernel modules.

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hpen 691 days ago
The first point is pretty philosophical so I'm not gonna go far into that. At the end of the day you bought a product from a company, some of those products have a way to load programs on and some are locked down (a microwave). "should" is pretty biased whether I agree with that conclusion or not.

Two: Here I'm not arguing about what's possible but rather what happened in the real world. 8.5 M machines down, my org runs Macs, we knew about it from the news...

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vel0city 691 days ago
You're arguing for a microwave that would only allow you to put in foods approved by the manufacturer in it.

And yes, in the real-world, third-party software can and does cause Macs to crash.

8.5M machines...out of what, 1.4 billion? That's what, 0.6% of machines?

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hpen 691 days ago
No smarty pants, I'm arguing that you can't load a program on a microwave's microprocessor. Should I be able to do that?

"And yes, in the real-world, third-party software can and does cause Macs to crash." Thanks for adding so much to the conversation (eyes rolled).

In the absolute sense 8.5M machines is a lot. Airlines down is a lot. Hospitals down is a lot. Hey we guarantee we won't wreck 99.4% of our machines out there! is not a good guarantee.

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