[vilunov]

If they don't have a consistent UI and emulate the original awful UX, then in what aspect are they nice?

They have a ton of problems in my experience, a few off the top of my head:

- They force the specific repo url, e.g. ssh github even if you prefer to clone by http.

- Pulling from remote becomes difficult when submodules change, e.g. when a submodule is merged into main repo and becomes a proper subdir.

- git commands such as `git checkout -- .` don't work properly on them and I don't see how configs could change that.

[dcan]

For your first point, does ../../user/repo.git not work? I have a self hosted GitLab and that’s how I’ve specified all my submodules and it survived a top-level url change (with a new clone or changing the origin)