[tw04]

No offense but that comes across about as entitled as it gets. When a kid rides a bus to and from school, and the nearest library is 10 miles away, how exactly are you suggesting they get to the library or school to get on the internet?

> You can't. You can create really efficient pipelines to keep them in poverty for the rest of their life if you're not careful, though.

You absolutely can. We have endless examples and they pretty much always revolve around education and opportunities that normally are unattainable due to financial limitations.

[akira2501]

> No offense but that comes across about as entitled as it gets.

No, it's actually because I grew up poor, and we didn't receive any help because our family would have refused it out of weird pride.

> and the nearest library is 10 miles away

What kills me about these discussions is people have to invent, what are to them, these "extreme circumstances" just to demonstrate their points.. without once detailing or even imagining how many students this could possibly be true for. If public transport isn't an option then I would suggest a bicycle. How are they getting to school in the first place?

> You absolutely can.

Would you be willing to define this for me? When is a child "lifted out of poverty?" What does that look like and how is it being measured currently?

> and they pretty much always

You're saying things that would be nice to believe in but when you qualify them like this it makes me wonder what causes you to believe them?

[giraffe_lady]

I mentor kids in a large city who depend on the library for internet. They can walk there but they can only use a computer for 30 minute blocks. Then they need to get back in line until their turn comes up again. Afternoon weekdays there are probably 4-5 students for each computer.

It's beyond "inconvenient" for them, it's a major obstacle to their academic success.

[datavirtue]

I need three hours to find minor gaff bug, sometimes. Are they able to install development tools on these machines?

[giraffe_lady]

lmao no absolutely not. They can download files or plug in thumb drives, and can run executables that way if they haven't been specifically blacklisted. But the machine is effectively wiped at the end of the session.

They pass around software that works this way and I've seen some pretty sophisticated teen thumb drive workflows lol. But the library IT dept here has cop mentality and they don't like to see anything that looks too much like "real" software so it's a constantly evolving situation they have to navigate.

[tw04]

>No, it's actually because I grew up poor, and we didn't receive any help because our family would have refused it out of weird pride.

Ahh yes, the old "pulled myself up by the bootstraps".

>What kills me about these discussions is people have to invent, what are to them, these "extreme circumstances" just to demonstrate their points.. without once detailing or even imagining how many students this could possibly be true for. If public transport isn't an option then I would suggest a bicycle. How are they getting to school in the first place?

So you didn't grow up poor? Or at least didn't grow up poor and rural - because if you had, your response would be "that sounds like pretty much every small town in America". A bicycle down county roads to get to the library to get on the internet 10 miles one way? Ignoring the part where most of the poor kids I grew up with didn't have a library card much less a bicycle, the odds of their parents allowing them to ride to town to get on the internet is pretty much 0.

>Would you be willing to define this for me? When is a child "lifted out of poverty?" What does that look like and how is it being measured currently?

Sure - a child who grows up and doesn't fall below the poverty line as an adult. How is it measured? Census data? I can't tell if you're claiming to be technically literate but completely confused how we would get to such numbers or just intentionally attempting to be condescending. This isn't some black art.

>You're saying things that would be nice to believe in but when you qualify them like this it makes me wonder what causes you to believe them?

And when you tell me you grew up poor but then think that it's a completely fabricated scenario of kids living too far from a library or school to be able to get to them every day for regular school work makes me wonder if you're just projecting.