[bckr]

> Developers don't want to ever be paged because they don't want to be bothered

This is a very reductive statement.

Developers have experienced their best colleagues burning out and leaving jobs because of on-call being completely overwhelming.

Developers want to behave intelligently.

Developers want the system to work.

Developers don’t want to burn their lifespan for false alarms that are being sent because someone didn’t spend 30 seconds thinking about whether a human being needs to be woken up in the middle of the night for whatever widget they’re slapping together.

[henryfjordan]

> The goal for oncall should be to NEVER get called.

Is that not also reductive then? Or maybe my statement pretty accurately captures that sentiment without 4 sentences of explanation.

But no, instead of engaging with the meat of my argument you just reductively attack one sentence.

I get it, I'm oncall right now for my job. I don't like it when alarms go off. I also understand that if I were to tune the alarms so I "NEVER get called" I'd be out of a job soon enough because the business would go under.

[bckr]

Okay, dialing up good-faith engagement.

How would your interpretation change if the article said this instead?

> The goal for oncall should be to continuously tune the system toward having no outages and no false alarms.

FWIW, I did only attack one sentence. This was not exactly intended to be dismissive. It was my reaction to, in my eyes, the weakest part of your argument.