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by jncfhnb 692 days ago
> If you are a software company, that $1 million you spent on software devs is your operating expense. Actual profit that year is $0.

No, it’s not. Net income here is $800k (20% amortization). Gross income is $1M. Because accounting recognizes that the value of your investments today are useful next year. If you sold a million dollars of your software this year, it’s extremely likely that you will be able to sell the same software next year. You’re not starting from scratch in 2025.

> On a cash accounting basis it’s actually worse, because that company is seriously in the red after paying taxes with the new rules. Previously it would have netted out at $0.

And that’s an example of why cash based accounting is not they way businesses track their financials. It’s misleading.

Your understanding of finance here is completely backwards. Think about it. Would you rather loan money to a company that paid $1M contractors to do work for $1M in revenue? Or to a company that spent $1M building a product that sold $1M in services that year?

Obviously, OBVIOUSLY, the second one is more enticing. The contractor company is extracting zero profit and is poised to do the same next year. The software company built a product and they can continue selling. Whether the market is really competitive and whether they might need to continue investing in the product to stay competitive is a tangential concern and a secondary consideration about the business environment that does not factor into our basic understanding of assets here.

Whining about funding being hard to get or that business is hard does not define what an asset is. Imagine a factory owner saying “well the Chinese just built an automated factory so I’ll need to double my investment next year to make sure my products can compete in the market, so I’m going to say that my building of factory doesn’t count as an investment because that just works out nicer for me. It’s only fair. The business environment is competitive!”

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And this right here is the difference between theory and practice.

Because in theory sure.

Though previously there was the far more profitable and easy to deal with theory of building an actual asset of large value (monetized via stock/equity) while treating the expenses to do it as straightforward business expenses with no amortization to be a PITA, and the IRS was willing to go along on that.

In practice, this is exactly how you run your startup into a wall at 100 mph while you bounce payroll checks and end up in a morass of legal trouble. Because cashflow absolutely matters, and startups and small businesses rarely can just get ‘free’ debt at a moments notice to smooth it all out. Even large ones are having more difficulty than ever.

Call it whining all you want - it’s a significant concern partially driving market behavior. Remote work also meaning outsourcing is back on the table being another.

The “theory vs practice” split here is about whether your business made any sense in the current environment, not the definition of an asset.

“Business is hard” is not an argument to redefine what an asset is

This is really hilarious actually.

Because this was all due to a change of the rules on existing behaviors, and created a new capital asset which previously didn’t need to be recognized.

And because you seem to be saying ‘suck it up’, which of course sure whatever. Business is what it is, and folks get what they get.

But of course what is going to happen is the related companies are just going to fire some people/lay them off, or go bankrupt and then do that to everyone.

I don’t actually care - I pivoted in a way it benefits me several years back - but what else does anyone expect to happen?

Then the whining and finger pointing happens of course on the state of the labor market, and no one ever points one back to themselves. shrug