[amy-petrik-214]

I agree. This type of article is internet forum argument fuel because the area is such grey, arguments on both size. Reminds me of the lady who got burned by McDonalds coffee like, bro, you spill hot coffee on you then you might get a burnt. She won that one. McDonalds keeps it hot for sterilization/safety. I'm guessing also there is diminishing returns to bone removal so removing 99.9% is much easier to do than removing 99.999999 percent. So it's like, do you do something that harms 1 in a million but makes it way cheaper or way safer for the rest, or avoid that harm but now people pay the price. My main thing here, equivalent to "bro why'd you spill coffee on yourself" is "bro, do you chew your food, because someone who chews their food would know there's a bone in it"

[yjftsjthsd-h]

> Reminds me of the lady who got burned by McDonalds coffee like, bro, you spill hot coffee on you then you might get a burnt. She won that one. McDonalds keeps it hot for sterilization/safety.

That's a pretty misleading description; they lost that case because they knowingly kept their coffee far above a safe temperature to serve, there had been a string of previous cases proving that it was obviously unsafe, and their negligence landed a woman in the ER (followed by being in the hospital for over a week, followed by permanent disfigurement and being partially disabled for two years).

( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liebeck_v._McDonald%27s_Restau... )

[Aeolun]

I think it is amazing you can get third degree burns from a bunch of 80-90 degree coffee dropped in your lap though. I would not have expected that.

[QuercusMax]

80-90 Fahrenheit is barely warm. It was 80-90C, which is just a hair under boiling and will absolutely do serious damage.

That's not serving temperature - that's brewing temperature. You have to work to keep coffee that hot, it's not something that happens passively.

[Izkata]

IIRC it was more like 120-130 degrees. McDonalds chose a higher temperature under the assumption it would cool a bit on the trip home, and be a normal temperature by the time you drank it.

Edit - it's in the Wikipedia link:

> Liebeck's attorneys argued that, at 180–190 °F (82–88 °C), McDonald's coffee was defective, and more likely to cause serious injury than coffee served at any other establishment.

In case it's not at the top of anyone's mind, water boils at 212 F / 100 C.

[autoexec]

> Reminds me of the lady who got burned by McDonalds coffee

It's really amazing to me how long that bit of corporate propaganda has managed to survive. Especially in the internet age. I know the narrative demonizing that poor woman was pushed very aggressively, but 30 years is a long time. Not many campaigns can hope to be so successful while being so wrong. I get the feeling that even 30 years from now people will still be repeating the same lies.

[Aeolun]

My concern is not with food that has bones in, it is with labelling such food as boneless.

If you cannot guarantee your food doesn’t have 2 inch bones in, you should be unable to label it boneless.