[harshitaneja]

Yes, JIT was not the right terminology to use. I lazily wrote JIT. Apologies. What I meant to convey was the difference in startup times and run time between running something in JVM and V8. Java feels heavy but in javascript ecosystem it feels so nimble.

[sgammon]

Native Java via GraalVM starts up in milliseconds.

[wiseowise]

And it has to go through slow compilation step. With Node you can have a cake and eat it too.

[DarkNova6]

You can't be serious about comparing the technological capabilities of the JVM and Node and objectively declare the latter as the winner.

Compilation times are also an absolute non-issue.

You don't compile for development. You do it for production (in the rare circumstances that you need it).

[harshitaneja]

That's not what I am trying to convey here. JVM is amazing and it is a feat that java is as fast as it is and javascript and v8 are order of magnitude slower.

Also even though I also found java too verbose, I kept believing that we need it to be so to write good software. I still enjoy java but it doesn't compare to the ergonomics of typescript for me. And nimbleness of the experience according to me plays a decent role.

Currently for me, either I really care about performance and I default to rust for those applications or I need solutions where the product will evolve quickly over time and I need great DX over performance and I default to typescript for those.

Java definitely has a role to play but its role in my work has certainly diminished.

[sgammon]

It does not "have" to go through such a step, by the way, because you can simply run such code on the JVM.

[ZhongXina]

You're saying it like it's an absolutely good thing. Some (many?) users would rather pay the cost upfront in compilation time (doesn't really matter if it's AOT or JIT) than pay the same cost many times over through a significantly slower runtime. JVM also scales up to supercomputers (and everything in between) if you want it to, so depending on your requirements a single-threaded alternative might not even be an option.

[wiseowise]

I’ll use C++ or Rust for such use cases.

[sgammon]

Okay!