[mapt]

You guys are decades deep into an ideologically propelled plan to "Starve the beast" by denying the NHS funding so that care quality declines, and use that as justification to privatize the NHS entirely.

The starting salary for a first-year doctor is below the national median income, and for a nurse significantly below. Their inability to requisition funds & time for care is something there is repeated labor action about. The NHS budget is 5.9% of GDP versus the 17.3% of GDP that the US economy spends on healthcare or the 11.3% of GDP that the UK economy spends on healthcare overall.

Maybe more funding will fix it?

[bluedino]

> The starting salary for a first-year doctor is below the national median income

Is it really that low?

In the USA an entry level doctor will make around $130,000 and the 'Average doctor' makes $200-$350,000/year depending on what website you want to believe.

And we're running like 13% of the population having diabetes.

[lazyasciiart]

Median wage in England is about £35k and a first year doctor gets £32k. https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/junior-doctors-earnings-s...

[GenerWork]

Isn't one of the selling points of universal healthcare that it's overall cheaper in total cost than private insurance? If so, the UK should be celebrated for having such a low percentage of its GDP being spent on universal healthcare.

[s1artibartfast]

UK spends about 11% of GDP on healthcare This is comparable to France, Germany, and Switzerland, which spend ~12%, and less than the USA at 16% of GDP.

Things get a little more interesting when you take the overall GDP of each country into account:

Switzerland: 106K, ~$12K per capita

USA: 85k, ~$13.5k per capita

Germany $54K, $6.8k per capita

UK: $51k, $5.8k per capita

France: $47k, $5.8k per capita

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SH.XPD.CHEX.GD.ZS

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nomi...

[mapt]

Why not reduce it to 1% and see what happens?

It is possible for this class of approach to be cheaper, but also for this particular implementation to be spending too little.

[Spooky23]

The issue is that the Britain is stagnating, so that percentage of GDP is growing slower than costs.

[hollerith]

>The starting salary for a first-year doctor is below the national median income

Here you are comparing a doctor at the start of their career with a population consisting mostly of workers with decades of experience.

[noodleman]

Diabetes consultants can earn salaries up to £95k. Far from what junior doctors earn.

[noodleman]

My diabetes consultant is on more than the national median income and only works part time in a low cost of living area of the UK. They are far from hard done by. Throwing money at them will not change what is effectively a systemic error in how they approach the disease.

The NHS is underfunded, but this isn't a problem of funding. The lack of a scientific approach to managing diabetes is strictly down to ineptitude.

[HL33tibCe7]

> You guys are decades deep into an ideologically propelled plan to "Starve the beast" by denying the NHS funding so that care quality declines, and use that as justification to privatize the NHS entirely.

Mind providing some sources for this? Rather tired of hearing this unfounded conspiracy theory from people

> Maybe more funding will fix it?

Where does the money come from?

[seb1204]

Tax the rich? Close to 100 billionaires live in London I've read.