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by gg82 696 days ago
Just stop trying to justify highway robbery. The criminal is the government until the person has been properly adjudicated by the courts!
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I agree it sounds absolutely absurd - first time I heard about it I couldn’t believe it.

The Wikipedia page has more on the rationale, good or bad:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_forfeiture_in_the_United...

I like how the first two paragraphs under the intro (History) is basically outlining how the British doing it to American colonists was a catalyst for violent revolution to come…

…and then the third is describing how American courts immediately recreated the laws with these inspirations to increase their budgets.

I mean say what you will about monarchism and its many flaws, they at least had the sense to hang or behead highway robbers instead of funding them!
While that's true, you absolutely don't have to settle for monarchy because a lot of democratic countries don't have this problem. Start with Canada (ignoring its namesake monarch). Civil forfeiture is a US specialty.
While perhaps specifically Canada does not have this type of asset forfeiture, I’m not sure they’re a good example of financial liberty that we should aspire to here in the US.
So let me understand this please: Canada is bad because it doesn't have what the US doesn't have either but aspires to have?
It's bad because they deem a protest a terrorist event and freeze your bank account if they found you donated.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/22/world/americas/canada-pro...

As a Canadian I'd like to take this opportunity to ask you what you know about Canada.

Like what do you really know about Canada?

Because I'm getting the same "Montreal is the capital of Canada" vibes that I got from an American tourist when I was a little kid visiting the same tourist town that they were on summer vacation.

It astounds me how confidentially incorrect Americans (I'm assuming that you're American) are when it comes to their close neighbour.

So please, tell me more about Canada.

Given the horrible wealth disparity in the US, I'd say it absolutely is. Or pretty much any other western country would do also.
"What about all the bad things in Canada"

Whataboutism is not a great argument. We should aspire to take the best features from each country, not to mirror any country exactly.

I think it exists in Ireland too. I suspect it may be a legislative flaw that can be exploited in all common law countries (with the buy in of legislatures of course).
Yeah, the point wasn't aiming for monarchy but shaming them for being so bad at governance that monarchs did a better job in the one particular area.
I dunno, there's some stuff like French ferme générale private tax collectors that weren't constrained in their profit-margin [0] or privateers with letters of marque and reprisal that went after civilians from other countries. [1]

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferme_g%C3%A9n%C3%A9rale

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Letter_of_marque

The Sheriff of London paid the monarch for their position, £300, and paid for this (as well as stashing away some for themselves) through taxes and fees or fines assessed by the sovereign.

This would have certain parallels to contemporary civil forfeiture.

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheriff_of_the_City_of_London#...>

Only as long as they weren't the ones who worked for the monarch.
Monarchs used to sponsor pirates to harass enemy nations, so long history.
It was a great work program for young overactive men with low morals and high intelligence - Sir Francis Drake proved his worth to the crown.

https://medium.com/luminasticity/adrenaline-culture-bed2d640...

(note: non-serious article has some crude language and scenarios)

It cost the US a failure to use the metric system.
Though I heard that during Drake's circumnavigation his body count was remarkably low, especially for the age.
I figured Drake was the kind of guy who would stock his crew with men of his caliber, and those guys tend to make it through hell with a smile.
That's because a monarchy wants to have a monopoly on the highway robbing in the first place.
Monarchs are happy to use robbers. See the age of piracy and letters of marque
I believe the correct term you are looking for is privateers, not robbers.

They were outside the color of law and often targeted specific trade coming out of adversarial nations.

One kings privateer is another’s thieving pirates.

It depends on who is getting robbed.

Kings and governments just make up special words for when they commit crimes.

Yup - it’s a special kind of outlaw (literally, outside the law) who has a home he can go back to and be protected.