[LadyCailin]

Would be interesting to compare the rates across different countries in the same time period. If they didn’t increase elsewhere, then it isn’t covid, but rather an American specific problem. The fact that healthcare isn’t a guaranteed right is certain to have some effect somewhere in American health data, just depends where exactly it shows up.

[ljf]

Check out this (also linked elsewhere in this post): https://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/issue-briefs/2...

Compares US to other developed countries, and compares other things such as maternity leave and other health care opportunities.

Note that some of the biggest risk area in the US is the 41 days AFTER child birth, where the US sees some of the worst results.

[brabel]

Somebody else posted a link with data from 2022 and 2023:

> In 2022, there were 22 maternal deaths for every 100,000 live births in the U.S. — more than double, sometimes triple, the rate for most other high-income countries in this analysis. In half of the countries, there were less than five maternal deaths per 100,000 live births.

> It’s been well documented that the COVID-19 pandemic had a greater impact on Latino people, with one study finding that roughly a third of Latina maternal deaths were linked to COVID. In addition, lower vaccine uptake, especially among Black and Hispanic women, was found to be leading to more maternal deaths by the end of 2021...

> In half of the countries, there were less than five maternal deaths per 100,000 live births (Norway, Switzerland, Sweden and the Netherlands have less than 3.0). For Black women, maternal mortality is exceptionally high (chart shows 49.5 for black women in the USA).

> In 2022, Norway’s maternal mortality rate was 0.

> All countries, apart from the U.S., guarantee at least one such home visit within one week postpartum, although Medicaid programs in some U.S. states cover these visits.

> The majority of deaths in the U.S. occur in the postpartum period, from one day after giving birth to a full year later.

> All countries included in this study, apart from the U.S., mandate at least 14 weeks of paid leave from work. Several countries provide more than a year of parental or home care leave.

> The U.S. and Canada have the lowest overall supply of midwives and ob-gyns

> Our findings suggest that an undersupply of maternity providers, especially midwives, and lack of access to comprehensive postpartum support, including maternity care coverage and mandated paid maternity leave, are contributing factors.

It seems pretty clear what's happening here.

[bedhead]

Covid didnt have a greater impact on black and Latino people, it had a greater impact on overweight people.

[brabel]

You can argue that obesity is the root cause, you can't argue that Latinos/Blacks were impacted more heavily as that's just numbers.

[nverno]

But if the underlying causal factor is obesity, then it is meaningless to say various races were impacted more heavily - in fact, it is worse than meaningless cause it implies they are causal factors.

[brabel]

It is not meaningless, nor misleading. It's a reality. They ARE affected more heavily. All you're saying is that the reason they're affected more heavily is not really race. But that does not change the fact they are affected more at all.

Imagine if you tried to say it's misleading to say black people are targetted by the police, because in reality it's criminals who are targetted. Can you see the problem?