[MrSS]

It would be great, if we talk about a topic like this, to give more insight why they think to simplify complex problems with the word immigrants.

I'm also pretty sure that people on hn are people who generally work globally (take opportunities remotly without even immigrating anywere), travel and or consider moving around the world as they see fit.

And your statistic is really interesting (pure curiosity) but most immigrants are coming on a temp visa. How much impact have 80.000 permanent visa immigrants in a year for one specific industry?

[trog]

In Australia we had over 500,000 immigrants in 2023. Much higher than usual to account for decreased numbers in prior years due to COVID.

We only have 6 cities with populations bigger than 500k. We let in a number of people greater than the population of our capital city in one year.

I am not anti-immigration (I have two people in my team I've helped arrange visas for). But this insane number has seriously changed the fabric of our society in real, tangible ways, purely from the pressure it has put on the housing market.

We are already seeing anti-immigration rhetoric from the usual suspects and its only going to get worse.

A few weeks ago there were stories about recent immigrants heading back home because the opportunities here are few and the cost of living is so high there's no way they can live here (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-06-08/why-these-immigrants-...). (I had an Uber driver tell me he's going back to India to open a gym because he can't afford to live here in Brisbane any more.)

And now literally today we're getting early warning signs of stress in the employment market, which is going to hurt the new immigrants the most (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-07-23/economists-warn-unemp...).

Again - not anti-immigration. We /need/ it in Australia. There are many reasons why we're in the mess we're in and not all of them are immigration. But at the end of the day our housing market is completely fucked and the flow on effects from this are dramatic. I don't think we're simplifying the problem down to "immigration" but it's simply undeniable that it is a factor in our current situation.

[meiraleal]

Please, kick out all the brazilians that invaded your country. They are more skilled than the average brazilian that didnt emigrate and we sure need those here. It makes no sense to be the scapegoat of unhappy extremists in australia or any other country

[defrost]

> It makes no sense to be the scapegoat of unhappy extremists

Check the tone of the comments by myself and trog above, we're a mostly friendly nation happy to meet people from across the globe, currently something like 25% of the Australian population was born overseas.

If you look at the graph I linked in a comment above you can see the current pressure - way more new people arriving than normal .. overstressing the existing means for absorbing fresh meat into the BBQ Borg collective.

The extremists we have a few but feral .. we have small pockets of bush nazis and some leafy suburbs with nervous elders who remember a distant White Australia policy. I think they're most worried about the first people moving in next door: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hu0_Hb7QRlw

[MrSS]

You are growing for over a decade now. Thats crazy anyway. How is it that its now a problem?

With the graph above, australia gained in avg 200k people per year