[mmaniac]

Independence achieved at last, for men and women.

[pwthornton]

What kind of bum doesn't take care of your kids? That's no independence. That's a dereliction of duty.

Pure incel talk. Pure loser talk.

Who wants to go through life being a loser?

[mmaniac]

Incels with kids? Get your narrative straight before you blow a gasket.

[paulryanrogers]

That implies equal choice / responsibility for the kids. If men aren't required to contribute half the work -- or at least some financial equivalent -- then it's not really independence for women at all.

And if the man discourages the woman from developing her own career, then leaves, she's been denied twice.

[galdosdi]

And so atomized and isolated, we become easier pickings for big capital