[shrimp_emoji]

It's not just capitalism. The Soviet Union drained the Aral Sea in hopes of irrigating cotton farms and overfished whales whose carcasses went to waste to mindlessly meet quotas.

At least capitalism is good at extracting value from the pillaging, unlike the alternatives.

But, in the end, pillaging is inevitable. Thermodynamically, "there's stuff already there, and all we have to do is get it" is the simple sugar of industry. You'll never find easier Calories. It's too sweet to resist. That's how you end up in oxymoronic schemes like "biomass" (cutting down forests) in the pursuit of renewable energy.

[littlestymaar]

> At least capitalism is good at extracting value from the pillaging, unlike the alternatives.

Well that's kind of the problem, it's really efficient at it and this efficiency is the root of the crisis we're in.

[unshavedyak]

> It's not just capitalism.

Definitely, but i didn't imply it was just capitalism.

If it is as dire as you portray, i guess my pessimism is correct. We're doomed and we'll all race to the finish line.