[muffinman26]

I think you might be conflating two different skills because you haven't seen good examples.

First is the skill of being an effective and persuasive communicator. This is an important skill to learn for anybody. The best resource I know for this is How to Win Friends and Influence People, by Dale Carnegie. You need to actually read the book, not a summary someone posted on the blog.

People who only read the table of contents or a blog summary usually interpret How to Win Friends and Influence People as a book about flattery and manipulation, but that's not the actual message. The book has strategies for asking people questions about themselves, and presenting an argument in a way that will allow the other person to "save face" by making their change of heart look like their idea. It will make you a little bit of a better person in addition to a good communicator. If you're having trouble getting some of the concepts to click, you may want to find some friends to work through examples with. This type of practice isn't quite the same as Toastmasters, but Toastmasters is also helpful and you might find some interested folks there.

The second is the skill of talking a lot without saying anything of importance. This is used by Public Relations folks and politicians to persuade people to ignore the real issue at hand. It might be a useful skill for cover-ups or duping people who don't actually understand what you're talking about, but I think most people with a decent understanding of the topic at hand see through this sort of pandering. Politicians and PR reps probably still do it because people expect a response and - even for those who don't fall for the ruse - it's still impossible to figure out exactly how badly someone messed up after listening to a meaningless conversation.