[janoc]

It is good that you are rooting for the poor industry because they are "being screwed".

Sad that you didn't consider the content creators, people who's faces, voices, writings, art, personal information, etc. are being used without consent and without any compensation as the ones "being screwed" here.

[chii]

> are being used without consent

gatekeeping the information that is being learnt off these data is not a right they have been granted.

I do not see an ai weight/model as a derivative works of the individual works used to train it, provided that you can obtain new works that would not have violated the copyright of the original had it been manually made.

[visarga]

Copyright supports creativity by limiting creativity. It's paradoxical. But more recently we have seen open source, wikipedia and open scientific publication pushing this trend back.

[rcxdude]

They've generally already been screwed by distributors, they're being screwed further by gen AI, and in the case where large corporations which own their works are allowed to extract further rent from those works from those creators, they will be triply-screwed. It's a shit situation but the existing copyright system is not a good solution for the average creator.

[Terr_]

It's kind of like the history of the web with regular human consumers and various attempts to allow microtransactions, which receded in favor of ads and tracking.

If the pattern holds, the "cost" of training non-paywalled data will be attempts to hack/influence the model, as opposed to hacking humans.

[mylastattempt]

Content creators or artists, will have to find a way to deal with AI (as a broad term). Both in how they will or won't use it, but also in how it affects or threathens their jobs and livelyhoods.

People in the AI (using this term very loosely here) business are worried that only the biggest players effectively monopolize AI with the help of badly thought out (or plain corrupt) regulations that may be set in place in the near future.

These two issues are not mutually exclusive problems, these two groups are not fighting against eachother. It feels like a typical divide and conquer, where the regular people are being pitted against eachother because of your view, while they should work together towards a solution for both of their problems and fight bad regulation (and monopolies in AI).

[RodgerTheGreat]

Generative "AI" enthusiasts build their models by ripping off creative human beings for profit.

Generative "AI" enthusiasts fear that bigger fish will squeeze them out of the niches they created for themselves through theft.

Suggesting that artists and genAI enthusiasts should "work together" to defend the regulatory environment of the latter is ludicrous; it would be like a burglar breaking into my house, stealing my appliances, and asking for my support in his campaign for mayor!