[init]

> Can you explain in what way did this manifest in Sweden for instance? Or have any data/evidence besides some semi-vague claims about antisemitism and some immutable characteristics of European societies (which are hardly monolithic to begin with).

If you live in Sweden then you will also know that the state puts refugees in the same areas (Rinkeby, Vivalla, Tensta, etc ...). These areas are then labeled as unsafe because of a slightly elevated crime rate and because they're labeled unsafe, swedes start moving out and quality of services and house prices drop and the downward spiral continues until the area becomes a ghetto even though they're usually not that bad.

Although SFI exists to teach Swedish to immigrants, the quality of the teaching is not great in most schools.

That's where the integration effort stops.

Even professionals who move to Sweden for work have a hard time integrating in Swedish society. That's how you end up with people living in upscale parts of Stockholm for 10+ years and can barely form a sentence in Sweden.

[RubberbandSoul]

> state puts refugees in the same areas (Rinkeby, Vivalla, Tensta, etc ...).

No it doesn't. Refugees are placed in municipalities all over Sweden but most choose to move to the big cities as soon as they can and end up in these districts because they are the cheapest.

> slightly elevated crime rate.

Citation needed. Compared to what? Casual crime is very high compared to traditional Swedish society. Also a lot of crime goes unreported because the locals don't trust the police to be able to do anything.

> That's where the integration effort stops.

Simply not true. There are oodles of integration efforts all over Sweden at many levels; public projects, local initiatives and on top of that immigration heavy areas gets more public funding than average for schools, after-school activities, park/street cleanings, etc.

> Even professionals who move to Sweden for work have a hard time integrating in Swedish society.

That's because Swedish is a small language and most professionals don't plan on staying. Most Swedish professionals speak English on a native speaker level and most large Swedish companies has English as the official corporate language. In my experience most non-English speakers that comes to Sweden spend their efforts on becoming fully proficient in English while the English speakers are delighted to find that they can use English everywhere in society. Learning Swedish has a very low priority and after a couple of years most expats grows tired of the cold, darkness, taxes, low salaries, etc.

[EGreg]

In my opinion, refugees should be spread out and placed among neighbors who are willing to interact positively with them and invite them to stuff so they can integrate, and NOT allowed to relocate their residence for 5-10 years. That will be better for the country. Beggars can’t be choosers, they’re happy to get asylum.

How to enforce that: fine whoever sells/rents to them outside where they are supposed to live. And threaten to deport them if they move without the years passing or showing they’ve integrated / learned the language / culture etc.

Obviously, exceptions can be made for reasons of safety or being closer to a job they got, but then the same procedure should be followed (spread out and surrounded by neighbors willing to help integrate them).

They should also have access to resource to accelerate the cultural integration, like meetups and schools etc.

[RecycledEle]

I like the idea of setting an immigration quota based on how many meighborhoods overwhelmingly vote to welcome immigrants, and then requiring the immigrants to live in those neighborhoods as a condition if their immigration status.

If the immigrants enrich the community, those who welcomed them get the enrichment.

If the immigrants bring crime and disease, those who welcomes them get the crime, disease, and decreased property values.

I love solutions that work whether my views are right or wrong.

May I steal that for part of my political platform?

[kgwgk]

It's what has been happening lately in the US. Not based on quotas but on putting people on buses:

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/20/us/abbott-texas-migrant-b...

It has had interesting consequences:

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/27/nyregion/adams-deport-mig...

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/18/nyregion/shelters-are-ove...

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/25/nyregion/hotels-prices-mi...

[EGreg]

Sure. It sounds very bottom-up and libertarian, the kind of libertarian I am is exactly this thing … making a new bottom-up system with software, giving people the tools to self-organize, get critical mass in various local areas, and then using the new tech to bring about change by working with the old top-down structures.

Facebook and Uber and AirBNB did it in social networking and transportation and housing, respectively, starting in colleges and cities.

I am doing it for all kinds of things, and sometimes selling it to political campaigns such as I did with https://qbix.com/yang2020.pdf but that is not really my goal, just to help some politicians was never my goal

I put out a few apps like Groups on iOS and so far we attracted a million small community leaders in 100 countries, who have our app on their phones. So the first phase (bottom-up) is under way

I even launched blockchain applications worldwide, that are actually helpful: https://intercoin.org/applications

including working on launching a fund for refugees that will be crowdfunded by people worldwide: https://community.intercoin.app/t/fund-for-refugees/2688

Years I go I met with Rohingya Project guys and working together to create the R Coin, Identity and Academy on decentralized platform for the Rohingya refugees: https://rohingyaproject.com/platform/

Now this year for the first time, we got a VC (Balaji’s fund) leading our round for Network States. Balaji is a big proponent of these (kind of like Estonia’s e-residency), his fund also has Naval Ravikant, Fred Wilson and others on their investment commitee… basically a lot of people involved in Web3 (CoinBase, CoinList, etc.)

I’m going to Singapore on Sept 22nd for their conference to meet with Vitalik and others: https://balajis.com/p/network-state-conference

So if you’re serious about doing the first part of the solution (software) I recommend you can do it in software, and working on the ground with small towns and neighborhoods. I already have a platform doing just that, so if you want to do it locally, we can reach out about doing something together. We’re eventually looking to go to every part of the world, but currently we’re at a stage of just doing local pilots. Look at my profile and you can email me.

And/or come to the Singapore conference on September 22nd and let’s all meet and discuss there in person :)

But PS: our platform isn’t only about resettling refugees, although it is a big part. It’s about dating, job boards, local currencies, and much more. I think that if Donald Trump and Co get into office again, there will be a huge “crypto summer” but we need to use crypto for actual applications like the one I mentioned, with global donation crowdfunding and transparency and benefitting the stateless people on the ground, instead of crazy ponzi schemes round 4 LOL.

[qb1]

Do it! Start-up meet-ups and find a way to make the labor, especially the idle labor, more productive. This is entreprenuerism. It is also hard and then there are the costs--who pays?

[KennyBlanken]

> Citation needed. Compared to what? Casual crime is very high compared to traditional Swedish society. Also a lot of crime goes unreported because the locals don't trust the police to be able to do anything.

Citation needed? You haven't provided a single citation for any of the wild claims you've made.

[ryan93]

Don’t need a citation for that

[Ma8ee]

It’s not the state that put the immigrants there, but outside those areas it’s almost impossible to find something to rent, and as an immigrant without a steady income it’s kind of impossible to buy anything.