Hacker News new | ask | show | jobs
by lores 696 days ago
Then that's 3-4 decades of massive incompetence, isn't it? "Testing before pushing an update" is basic engineering, they have a huge scale so huge responsibility, and they have the money to perform the tests and hire people who aren't entirely stupid. That's gross malpractice.
1 comments
notepad0x90 696 days ago
testing for software, not for content. you test, and fuzz the software that processes the updates, not the content files themselves. it's like a post on HN crashing HN and you claiming HN should have tested each post before allowing it to be displayed. you test code not data, and I dare you to back up any claim that data processed by software should also be tested in the same way. Everyone is suddenly an expert in AV content updates lol.
link
ciuokan 696 days ago
I used to work for Microsoft in a team adjacent to the Defender team that worked on signature updates and I know for sure that these were tested before being rolled out - I saw the Azure Devops pipelines they used to do this. If other companies aren't doing this then that's their incompetence but be assured that it's not industry-wide.
link
notepad0x90 696 days ago
I'm not saying they don't test them, I'm saying they don't do code tests, as in unit tests and all that. I have no idea what they do, I'm just speculating here, but if in fact they do no testing at all, then I agree that would be pretty bad.I would think their testing would be for how well it detects things and/or performance impact and I'd expect it to be automated deployment (i.e.: test cases are passing = gets deployed), i guess they don't have "did the system crash" check in their pipelines? In your experience at MS, did they test for system/sensor availability impact?
link
lores 696 days ago
A config file IS code. And yes, even a post can theoretically break a site (SQL injection, say), so if you're pushing data to a million PCs you'd better be testing it.
link
notepad0x90 696 days ago
You're right, but "testing" could mean anything, you'd need to have the foresight to anticipate the config crashing the program. Is it common to test for that scenario with config files?
link