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by sbuk 699 days ago
Applying rigorous engineering principles is not something I see developers doing often. Whether or not it's incompetence on their part, or pressure from 'imbecile MBAs and marketers', it doesn't matter. They are software developers, not engineers. Engineers in most countries have to belong to a professional body and meet specific standards before they can practice as professionals. Any asshat can call themselves a 'software engineer', the current situation being a prime example, or was this a marketing decision?
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isaacremuant 699 days ago
You're making the title be more than it is. This won't get solved by more certification. The checkbox of having certified security is what allowed it to happen in the first place.
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sbuk 698 days ago
No. Engineering means something. This is a software ‘engineering’ problem. If the field wants the nomenclature, then it behooves them to apply rigour to who can call themselves an engineer or architect. Blaming middle management is missing the wood for the trees. The root cause was a bad patch. That is developments fault, and no one else’s. As to why this fault could happen, well the design of Windows should be scrutinised. Again, middle management isn’t really to blame here, software architects and engineers design the infrastructure, they choose to use Windows for a variety of reasons.

The point here m trying to make is blaming “MBAs and marketing” shifts blame and misses the wood for the trees. The OP is as on the holier-than-thou “engineer” trip. They are not engineers.

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morning-coffee 697 days ago
I think engineering only means something because of culture. It all starts from the culture of collective people who define and decide what principles are to be followed and why. All the certifications and licensing that are prerequsite to becoming an engineer are outcomes of the culture that defined them.

Today we have pockets of code produced by one culture linked (literally) with pockets of code produced by a completely different ones and somehow expect the final result to adhere to the most principled and disciplined culture.

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