[TulliusCicero]

> Ideally protests should be peaceful.

Other people in the thread are saying that Bangladesh is a dictatorship, and security forces are killing people for protesting.

Just to be clear, if that's the case, violence against the state is entirely justified. There is nothing morally wrong about rebelling against autocracy, in fact, it's quite a good thing.

[Foofoobar12345]

It’s easy to encourage this when there’s nothing at stake. I personally have friends and family who are trapped and fear violent protestors as much as violent police.

And when the protests die down in a few days or weeks, there will be even fewer jobs. And the attacks aren’t against the state but against the people as well.

[TulliusCicero]

Well obviously violence against random civilians is not justified, the target should be the state, especially leaders and security forces.

[Foofoobar12345]

In most of these movements that discipline isn’t maintained. What do you think happens when thousands of students, many of whom are discovering a city the first time in their lives, suddenly realize they can set grand things on fire?

There’s certainly the core movement that is disciplined, but its very hard to control the beasts in the fringes.

[t_mahmood]

Your comment about students is absolutely unfair, and wrong.

The students are much more civilized than the goons and deployed police. The political wing of the party consists of uneducated street locals, or students who are not smart, and easy to manipulate, and looking for easy way to get to the top. I have worked with them, and I know their level.

And the students are the one who allows to go all the emergency vehicle peacefully. Never heard any students attacking an ambulance. Refer to safe roads movement by the students few years back.

Things go bad only when government goons gets involved. They are the beasts you are trying to make the students to be.

And link for you.

https://www.dhakatribune.com/bangladesh/dhaka/352655/when-ja...

[t_mahmood]

Can confidently say, all the previous student protests, along with this one, students have never been the violent one.

But we civilians are more afraid of violence from the ruling party's goon. These people are coming from some remotest parts of the country, have no good education, but empowered by the government to do anything deemed necessary to stop people's movement.

[lostlogin]

Where is the line? Who people support and who a company supports all becomes relevant in a civil war.

Quite how this gets resolved is beyond me - the west has been quite happy to enjoy products from sweat shops, so is probably complicit.

[Foofoobar12345]

It’s tanks vs sticks, the govt will prevail. In a few days we’ll all forget about this.

That said, I personally believe the future of the country lies in private enterprise - not govt jobs. People in BD want these govt jobs for job security. They need to rise above that fear.

I hope more will choose the path of entrepreneurship - whether by starting an AI company or a street-side teashop - there’s demand for both.

I’ve interacted with the software engineers at my friend’s company. The country has a lot of talented coders. I consider myself a veteran programmer - I’ve cracked all interviews thus far in the valley, but I get out-coded by these young chaps who’ve not had access to electricity till they were 15 (yes, there are still villages without power).

Truly inspiring stuff. Not if only we can all stop killing each other, the future will be bright :)

[rubayeet]

You are missing the point. It may look like protests are about having a fair shot at getting government jobs on the surface but it is more than that:

1. Corruption / Nepotism - Quotas in gov jobs are exploited by the powerful to hire people in important positions who will keep them in power.

2. Violence against Peaceful Protests - The protests started peacefully until the police + the govt backed student org (who work as hired goons for the ruling party and do the dirty job cops are unable to do) started violently suppressing them.

3. A Head of State who appears to be inconsiderate - The PM referred to the protesters with a term that is _extremely_ offensive. There is a track record of this Head of State using language that is unbecoming of their station, or simply unacceptable (think MAGA but 100x worse). Power keg exploded.

No matter how much talent or coding chops you have, you can't thrive in a society where the powerful are unchecked, unaccountable, and your right to protest peacefully are met with extreme violence. Try to see the world without the lense of SV.

[ridiculous_leke]

> Just to be clear, if that's the case, violence against the state is entirely justified. There is nothing morally wrong about rebelling against autocracy, in fact, it's quite a good thing.

Only if you have evidence against the state. Otherwise the state (which always has more resources) is going to take it to the next level.

[Rinzler89]

Even if you have evidence against the state, do you think all those in power will just step down peacefully without a fight? No, they'll still send the military and law enforcement out to bash your skull in or arest you.