[__MatrixMan__]

Anecdotal, but I've tripped with two people who showed seizure like symptoms that they never had before or since.

Couldn't find any data at the time. Tried to get them to submit experience reports on erowid so that there would be some data out there, but they didn't want to put anything about it in writing.

[foobiekr]

Are you sure shrooms? If chocolates or gummies the compound therein is not quite the same as recent news stories have noted.

[__MatrixMan__]

Yeah, I grew them. I didn't sequence them for identification, but they were phenotypically P. Cubensis, as advertised on the spore syringe.

In neither case was it a big deal in the long run (not exactly great vibes in the short term though). I used to be a pretty enthusiastic user, so "just two times" is indeed uncommon.

Hopefully with the recent trend of decriminalization we can get together some respected data about this sort of thing. I still believe that psilocybin has been a net positive thing for most people who have tried it (including these two cases).

Even if the seizure thing were confirmed, all the conventional wisdom re: tripping remains unchanged. Be in a safe place with trusted people, consider a trip sitter, etc. On the other hand, I think having the data might help drive some better decisions: Situations you might avoid (e.g. swimming), etc.

[greentxt]

Can I get a cite on one of those news stories?

[muzani]

Yeah, I think data on this would be hard to get.

A tangential anecdote... I took a Pfizer COVID booster vaccine and saw my heart rate go up to resting above 100 on my calorie tracker watch. I talked with my doctor about this. He said he stayed away from the COVID boosters because they weren't a good balance of risk vs safety. I asked him whether high resting heart rates were a side effect. He said, no, there's no data for that, but there is data that it has an impact on heart rates.

I said, if there's no data, that means the vaccine isn't the source? He said, no, there's no data because I didn't report it.

[op00to]

Your heart rate increases in response to immune system activation. Like if you catch a cold or get a vaccine. Your doctor sounds like a quack.

[tambourine_man]

That doctor of yours should have their license revoked.

[muzani]

Thankfully in this country, we don't revoke licenses for telling people to submit health data.

[tambourine_man]

I don’t know or care which country you’re in, but advising patients against vaccines is a license-losing offense in most of the civilized world.

And that’s only the mildest of consequences, you’d be facing criminal charges as well in most countries.

[muzani]

Informed consent is a principle in medical ethics, medical law and media studies, that a patient must have sufficient information and understanding before making decisions about their medical care. Pertinent information may include risks and benefits of treatments, alternative treatments, the patient's role in treatment, and their right to refuse treatment. In most systems, healthcare providers have a legal and ethical responsibility to ensure that a patient's consent is informed. This principle applies more broadly than healthcare intervention, for example to conduct research and to disclose a person's medical information.

The booster shots are not mandatory in most countries. Your doctor should have informed you of the benefits and side effects of the booster shots, so there's no point in commenting on it here.

[tambourine_man]

There’s a non-zero risk in every action taken.

You may choke and die when swallowing a pill. Hit by a bus on your way to the doctor.

Every approved vaccine poses a much, much lower risk than the disease it prevents.

Warning about vaccine risks is at the very least a logical fallacy and most likely a hidden, eerie superstitious agenda.

[mike_ivanov]

https://www.canada.ca/en/public-health/services/vaccination-...

Come arrest us.

[SoftTalker]

> I took a Pfizer COVID booster vaccine and saw my heart rate go up to resting above 100

Temporarily or permanently?

[zdragnar]

My brother has this permanently, though whether a delayed reaction to the booster or from when he got COVID itself (a relatively mild case) not long after, there's no way to know.

It has been a major detriment to his day to day life though. Any physically involved hobbies are impossible; just walking up a flight or two of stairs now leaves him completely winded for several minutes, as his heart rate also takes longer to come back to resting than before.

Would not recommend.

[im3w1l]

Maybe it's running at high rate to compensate for some issue? An issue that could be found and resolved?

[zdragnar]

He's seen all the specialists. I think they ultimately came down on neurological damage, and tried a battery of drugs until they found some that slightly mitigated the problem. Last we talked about it, though, it hasn't been fully resolved.

[scotty79]

That sounds like a relatively common Covid side effect.

[muzani]

Temporary, but it wasn't clear at the time

[zdragnar]

Do you mind if I ask how long it took to clear up?

[mistrial9]

ok - an underweight 20 year old woman who did not eat well before a Rolling Stones concert and then used cocaine and alcohol, also had a seizure.

goddam Mick Jagger !