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by axelfontaine 701 days ago
My current favorite is Cirrus7: 100% passively cooled in a great compact custom case: https://www.cirrus7.com/
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Wow, this looks awesome for a low-usage home server (since it makes no noise). Does it handle load well though?
It depends on the CPU, the load, and the selected case option. The CPU will throttle when the load gets too high. They are using mobile/low-power CPUs. It’s generally fine if you don’t plan to have long-running heavy all-core loads. There is really no alternative to such cooling-fin cases in order to have a 100% silent PC.

For more processing power, a large case with quiet fans (e.g. Noctua) and a massive CPU cooler is the way to go, but isn’t completely silent (depending on load and environment noise level), and you’ll have to build it yourself.

Minisforum MS-01 is way better since it can function as a router and NAS / server with high uplink. It sports 2x 2.5 gbit, 2x SFP+, and all of these are decent Intel NICs (i226-LM, i226-V, X710). The X710 supports SR-IOV. It also has a PCIe slot you can use, for example to add another 10 gbit NIC or two 2.5 gbit. And it has an on-board WLAN (which you can remove). Actively cooled, which is IMO what you want. It has 3 NVMe slots, though you could also use that PCIe slot for another one.
For $600 sure, but its review isn't exactly glowing: https://www.servethehome.com/minisforum-ms-01-review-the-10g...
Isn't exactly glowing?

End conclusion is this:

"At the end of the day, if you are looking for a P-core enabled high-performance mini server or workstation, the Minisforum MS-01 is probably the best out there right now."

The review is why I bought the damn thing. But I didn't go for the most expensive option and bought my own RAM and NVMe for it. NVMe I went with a Samsung PM9A3 for filesystem consistency and heavy writes with Proxmox. For RAM I just went with w/e. It isn't ECC, but also not as bad as non-ECC.

Is the machine perfect, no it isn't. For example all the power saving stuff does not work if you want to use the I226-LM NIC 24/7 and that is a bummer. Also, it took 3 months to arrive (approx 1 month longer than advertised). But other than that? Great machine.

And the next sentence says "On the other hand, this is a $619 list price CPU"...
> And the next sentence says "On the other hand, this is a $619 list price CPU"...

You are misquoting. The next sentence does not say such.

The quote is "At the end of the day, if you are looking for a P-core enabled high-performance mini server or workstation, the Minisforum MS-01 is probably the best out there right now.". After that comes a new part of the article, concerning Where to Buy.

What you quote is mentioned in the article, but taken out of context by you. The full quote however is:

> The Minisforum MS-01 is a really awesome machine. Let us simply say that first. It is hard to make a system that pleases everyone. For one, I might want more RAM capacity and a lower-end CPU. On the other hand, this is a $619 list price CPU (Core i9-13900H) that comes in a system with a SSD, RAM, multiple network ports, chassis, and so forth for $829. That is a lot of extra components for $210. While I may want a lower power processor, I am not sure how much better of a value it would end up being.

In other words, it is actually a compliment. But the Core i9-13900H is the most expensive option. I didn't go for that one. Besides, I also put in my own SSD and RAM (and SFP+).

The primary bottleneck is the PSU. Limit the current draw to 65W (also during turbo boost) and you've got yourself the perfect workstation at a very reasonable price!
This looks awesome for music recording as well. Connect to a fanless USB interface and you'd be set for totally* noiseless recording.

* assuming no coil whine or PSU clicking

Did you actually try to run this thing? It will overheat and be very unstable. With modern mini-PCs you need active cooling even on DDR5 and SSDs!