[joh6nn]

I'm confused why this is being posted now? This thread appears to have taken place in the days immediately following the original XZ discovery, with no new activity since very early April. It was discussed heavily at the time that Jia Tan had made contributions to other projects and that those were being investigated as well.

Is there something new here I missed, or some additional context that makes this specific commit relevant right now?

[oefrha]

Since the posted thread has been locked since April, even if there’s new information it can’t be on the posted page. I suspect a lot of votes come from people thinking there’s significant new information (otherwise why would this suddenly be #1?) when there’s none.

[bibinou]

Karma farming.

[joh6nn]

Ok, but to what end? Is there some karma-to-dollars pipeline that I don't know about? There a bunch of other platforms that superficially seem like much softer targets with more obvious payoffs.

Like, if we put it in the classic context of

1. Farm Karma

2. ?

3. Profit!

I'm not clear on step 2. What's step 2

And of course that pre-supposes malice (or at least greed), which is in violation of Hanlon's Razor.

[bibinou]

Coincidentally, Reddit (YC05) IPO'ed in March so I'm sure you'll find plenty of analysis on that.

Gallowboob reportedly got paid <https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/people/gallowboob>.

It used to be called Curation, Marketing, or Expert Advice but it's been algorithmified to death.

[joh6nn]

Sorry, I don't understand the point you're making here. Are you saying that karma farming on HN leads to successful IPOs? Or are you saying that karma farming in general can be profitable? Because both of those are what I was trying to speak to when I said that I feel like there are much softer targets than HN: it seems much easier to me to profit from karma farming on other platforms than it would be here. Maybe I'm just not engaged enough and/or naive, but I don't think of even high-karma users on HN as being Influencers. Like, I don't see myself spending money on something specifically because tptacek endorsed it.

On Instagram, it makes sense to me:

1. I farm for likes and karma

2. I start endorsing low value crap from whatever fad is trending this hour

3. Profit

On HN, I have no idea what step 2 is: what is the middle step between farming and profit that doesn't involve, like, founding a startup? What's the specific tactic on this platform?

[bibinou]

Sorry, I didn't see the "much softer targets" remark but I disagree anyway.

Marketing on HN can be very powerful. The mindshare gain can be enormous. Niches in general are very rewarding if the underlying platform (Google/Facebook/Amazon/Ebay) doesn't deplatform you.

I don't have time to look it up but I'm sure minimaxir (Certified HN Influencer) has made a study on it.

PG remarked on it in What I've Learned from Hacker News[1]:

"But what happened to Reddit won't inevitably happen to HN. There are several local maxima. There can be places that are free for alls and places that are more thoughtful, just as there are in the real world; and people will behave differently depending on which they're in, just as they do in the real world.

I've observed this in the wild. I've seen people cross-posting on Reddit and Hacker News who actually took the trouble to write two versions, a flame for Reddit and a more subdued version for HN."

Anecdata: just today I reactivated an account on a startup I learned about from a Show HN[2]

[1] https://paulgraham.com/hackernews.html [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24990238

[joh6nn]

Ok, thanks, this is exactly what I needed. I'm apparently too much of a casual user here because I don't even recognize minimaxir as a username. So that's gotta be the disconnect for me: all the usual tactics apply, they're just less obvious to me because I'm not engaged enough.

I appreciate you taking the time to respond thoroughly. Thanks!

Edit: it occurred to me that another potential reason that the tactics used to monetize karma farming on HN may be less obvious to me than on other platforms is because here, the tactics are more specifically designed to target me