[vbezhenar]

I have Thinkpad which is supposedly built to run ubuntu as well and even certified for RHEL and Ubuntu. It doesn't work so good, though. It works, but there are rough edges around sleeping, external displays, power management.

I feel that it has nothing to do with manufacturer, though, just not good enough Linux support for laptops.

[ryandrake]

> It works, but there are rough edges around sleeping, external displays, power management.

Windows has these rough edges, too, though. It's actually pretty shocking that here in 2024, PC manufacturers and OS vendors are still struggling with basics like sleep/wakeup. Last job I had with Windows laptops, everyone would walk around the office from meeting to meeting with their laptops propped open because nobody could be sure that their OS would actually wake up when they opened the lid. And when you closed it and went home for the day, would standby actually work or would it be on fire and out of battery the next morning? Somehow, only Apple has seemed to be able to solve this Herculean problem.

[Willish42]

> Somehow, only Apple has seemed to be able to solve this Herculean problem.

Bit of a stab in the dark here but I would assume ARM has at least something to do with this? Tablets, phones, etc. get standby a lot better than x86 systems seem to. My pre-M1 Macbook Pro does not handle standby well but my partner's M2 Macbook Air lasts for forever and handles sleep etc. well. The lower power consumption in "standby mode" on ARM seems like at least part of the picture for why Apple gets this so much better. I bet it's part of why Windows is trying to release their ARM variant and have been working on it for 10+ years

[klooney]

This used to work, but Windows/Intel have this new thing called Modern Standby that just doesn't do what anyone wants. It's on purpose. It's very frustrating.

[rad_gruchalski]

> My pre-M1 Macbook Pro does not handle standby well but my partner's M2 Macbook Air lasts for forever and handles sleep etc. well.

Intel mac on sonoma?

[Willish42]

I think so. My company's new refresh policy is "buy your own recycled corp device from us and we'll install all of our tracking software on it so you can use it as a corp device" (the _worst_ kind of BYOD imaginable). So, I'm probably using the initially "free" Intel Macbook until it dies, I do, or my job does.

[szundi]

If you have an issue with windows, it’s abnormal - while with linux is pretty expected on several fronts

[yjftsjthsd-h]

> I feel that it has nothing to do with manufacturer, though, just not good enough Linux support for laptops.

On the contrary, it's down to the model. As I type this on a fully-functional Thinkpad, I can assure you Linux is fine on laptops.