[invalidname]

It has R&D centers and local business centers. Skype is not in Israel and there's no reason for a VoIP solution to route through a country local facility. The "complete siege" ended ages ago. Israel provides power, food etc.

[gl-prod]

I don't know about power and food since I have friends in the North who still don't have access.

[Fatnino]

How far is Israel expected to deliver the food? Right to everyone's door?

A seige means the borders are closed. The current situation, for at least 6 months now is that Israel is letting food trucks through the border, more and more every day.

A problem exists for that last mile inside Gaza where no one wants to distribute it because militants will straight up beat truck drivers with sticks to steal the trucks and the food.

You'd think the UN would step in and do something but so far they mostly just sit on their hands bleating.

So to summarize: there are huge piles of food just inside the Gaza border that are not being distributed efficiently/at all.

I also want to point out that it's not in Israel's best interest for there to be food shortages inside Gaza. The first people who will be starved are the hostages, so Israel wants to flood the strip with so much food that some trickles down to her citizens held there against their will.

[dunekid]

>Right to everyone's door?

There are not much of them doors left anyway.

>A seige means the borders are closed.

Yes, practically for close to two decades now. Sea, Air and Land.

[adr1an]

Drone and bomb attacks are delivered to doors without a problem, so... Yes.

[gl-prod]

I don't think Israel cares that much about the hostages (the constant indiscriminate bombing might give a hint). But if that's true and the hostages are in the hands of Hamas, then Israel would provide food and supplies to Hamas, right?

Where are your sources about "huge piles of food just inside the Gaza border?"

[Fatnino]

https://www.npr.org/2024/07/15/nx-s1-5035998/gaza-israel-foo...

[dunekid]

Anyway, there are a lot of reasons, one is this :

> Aid groups say coordinating their movements with the Israeli military inside Gaza remains a complicated and time-consuming process, sometimes requiring hours to coordinate safe access to the Gaza side of the Kerem Shalom border. And despite these efforts, Israeli airstrikes have hit aid workers on multiple occasions.

I haven't found anything on the investigation that is supposedly investigating the WCK workers murder. Unless the people who did that receives exemplary punishment, what sort of NGOs could distribute that aid? And ITF forces are still on the ground, and air.

[bhouston]

It isn't just Skype, their hotmail accounts were also disabled. Many local countries definitely do have authority over services provided in their countries.

I would guess these shutdown orders came from Israeli security services and then were routed though Microsoft Israel to be enacted.

> The "complete siege" ended ages ago. Israel provides power, food etc.

Sure, whatever you say.

[hedora]

Quick fact check: According to the UN, there is now a famine in Gaza because of Israel's actions:

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/7/10/is-there-famine-in-...

> “Israel’s intentional and targeted starvation campaign against the Palestinian people is a form of genocidal violence and has resulted in famine across all of Gaza,” 10 independent UN experts, including the special rapporteur on the right to food and the special rapporteur on human rights in the occupied Palestinian territory, said in a statement on Tuesday.

...

Three conditions must exist to determine there is famine:

- At least 20 percent of the population in the area faces extreme levels of hunger;

- 30 percent of the children in the area are too thin for their height; and

- The death rate has doubled from the average, surpassing two deaths per 10,000 daily for adults and four deaths per 10,000 daily for children.

[cmilton]

Did the 10 independent experts provide any evidence for these new claims? I can not find any in the article you have provided. I believe you should confine your assertion to “high risk” as the article states.

FTA: “ In its most recent evaluation, carried out last month, the IPC said Gaza remains at “high risk” of famine as the war continues and aid access is restricted, but stopped short of classifying conditions as a famine.

[exe34]

> Did the 10 independent experts provide any evidence for these new claims? I

somehow they can't get their people in, because big bad Israel, and at the same time, they seem to know exactly what's going on on the ground, and can make such claims. gaza seems to be the land of logical contradictions...

[EvgeniyZh]

Quick check: famine review committee was unable to find evidence of famine in Gaza [1]

[1] https://reliefweb.int/attachments/c6421cb7-c936-4145-af54-b7...

[shakes_mcjunkie]

Pretty disengenious summary on your part. From the report you linked:

> Firstly, all stakeholders who use the IPC for high-level decision-making must understand that whether a Famine classification is confirmed does not in any manner change the fact that extreme human suffering is without a doubt currently ongoing in the Gaza Strip and does not in any manner change the immediate humanitarian imperative to address this civilian suffering by enabling complete, safe, unhindered, and sustained humanitarian access into and throughout the Gaza Strip, including through ceasing hostilities. All actors should not wait until a Famine classification for the current period is made to act accordingly.

> Secondly, the FRC would like to highlight that the very fact that we are unable to endorse (or not) FEWS NET’s analysis is driven by the lack of essential up to date data on human well-being in Northern Gaza, and Gaza at large. Thus, the FRC strongly requests all parties to enable humanitarian access in general, and specifically to provide a window of opportunity to conduct field surveys in Northern Gaza to have more solid evidence of the food consumption, nutrition, and mortality situation.

[EvgeniyZh]

What's disengenious about? They didn't find evidence of famine, and thus the claim "According to the UN, there is now a famine in Gaza" is factual wrong. The sprinkling of ideology on top of this fact doesn't change it.

[monocasa]

That statement was from less than a year ago.

[invalidname]

The whole war has been going for 9 months. Things change fast. It was a stupid statement by a stupid/evil government, but facts have changed quite a while back in relative terms.

[monocasa]

You said "[t]he "complete siege" ended ages ago."

This specific statement was less than a year ago, from the IDF, about instituting a complete siege.

[invalidname]

People use the word "ages" to indicate a significant amount of time. In the context of this war it's correct. This obviously didn't refer to the literal meaning of ages when discussing a 9 month war.

It seems to me you're trying to nitpick on a minor choice of words instead of the substance of what I said.

[monocasa]

Power is still disabled in large swaths of gaza.

Food is still scarce, with far fewer trucks let in versus pre invasion (which was 500 trucks a day), which was already calibrated according to Israeli officials to be "the lowest level possible consistent with avoiding a humanitarian crisis". https://www.cbsnews.com/news/wikileaks-israel-intentionally-...

[Fatnino]

Those 500 trucks included other stuff besides food. Things like concrete (for tunnels) and water pipes (for mortars).

Nowadays (as in the last few months) a minimum of 250 FOOD trucks enter Gaza daily. Sometimes as high as 350.

Source, with occasional pictures https://twitter.com/cogatonline

This also means that the embarrassing US floating pier brings in approximately nothing compared to the land crossings.

[invalidname]

Again, I already said these things. Are you looking for an argument? To say the last word? What's your point? Why link for an article from 2011?

Power is out in specific areas because Hamas was in control of all civil offices and they're gone. So while the grid is back up, there's no engineers to connect the destroyed relays.

The trucks are back in. The problem is on the other side of the fence https://www.npr.org/2024/04/09/1243752564/hundreds-of-aid-tr...

You can blame that problem on Israel too although this isn't something Israel can fix.

You're using a typical western POV which is severely broken and damaging to the people of Gaza. E.g.

"Hamas Leader Reacts to 3 Sons Being Killed: 'Thank God'" https://www.newsweek.com/hamas-leader-reacts-3-sons-killed-t...

There's a picture of him smiling as he brings the news to his wife where you also see her smiling. I can't imagine losing a child, just thinking about him losing a child makes me tear up. It's unimaginable. Yet Hamas leaders consider the death and suffering of their own children in the Jihad as a blessing.

That is fanatic religious insanity. But they understand that the West doesn't see it that way. So they use Palestinian children in the most heinous ways possible, as couriers between their tunnels and bait. An accidental death of a child is propaganda and they live on that. Recently they published a video of an Israeli army dog attacking an old woman. They literally kidnapped that dog and used it to stage an attack for propaganda.

I'm not saying that horrible things aren't happening there due to Israeli actions. On the contrary, they are. But they are happening there for the most part because Hamas is an enemy of the Palestinian people as much as it is an enemy of Israel. It is using Hospitals, Schools and Mosques as bases. They placed a huge weapons cache under a refuge sanction, then when it exploded it was easy to blame Israel and for 24-48 hours the media reported that it was Israel.

Western ignorant good intentions are prolonging the war and making it worse because they're giving Hamas false hope.