[notheyarent]

they aren’t cell diseases. It is plant toxins either leaking into the blood stream through intestinal permeability or a problem with peoples livers being fatty and not able to do their job anymore resulting in the bodies inability to remove plant toxins. The toxins cause an immune reaction wherever they build up , rheumatoid arthritis if it’s the joints of the legs and arms etc.

Plant toxins include pesticides, fungicides, herbicides, both human created and sprayed on and natural ones to stop animals and bugs eating them. They also include glysophate

Thousands of people on Reddit have put Rheumatoid arthritis and other Auto immune diseases into remission using the carnivore diet. Ie manually removing Plant toxins from their food and not letting the toxins enter their damaged bodies

[atombender]

Funnily enough you have another poster [1] saying the exact opposite, that meat makes their symptoms worse, and eating plant foods makes their symptoms go away.

Whenever the carnivore diet comes up as a panacea (which it does, a lot), I wonder if people tried anything else. Did they try reintroducing plant foods to test their hypothesis?

Personally, I bet that it's not the diet itself that helps in most cases, but that the very act of changing one's diet radically alters the gut microbiome. People with autoimmune diseases usually have a dysbiotic gut flora, so it makes sense that a radical change would "reset" it. However, this would suggest that reintroducing foods should work, unless you reintroduce things that bring back the imbalance.

Anecdotally, my psoriasis disappeared after I switched to a strict vegetarian diet. I can't prove it, though, so I don't go on Reddit making unscientific claims I can't back up with evidence.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40937383

[geewee]

If these toxins build up in animal cells - why would you eating meat (that must then have a much higher concentration) not expose you to the same toxins?

[seaal]

The trick is you must eat meat that only ate meat!

[geewee]

It's meat all the way down!

[aroopchandra]

For me, it was the opposite. Cutting out meat and eating a lot of organic greens helped calm my immune system and reduce inflammation. In my experience, meat increased my inflammation, while greens decreased it. I think everyone is different, and it's not hard to test on yourself if you have noticeable symptoms like joint pain, as I did.

[colordrops]

This idea that plants are toxic and meat is healthy is absurd in the extreme. Historical evidence shows humans at mostly a plant based diet for most of our evolution. And the various large and strong herbivores are completely contradictory to your thesis. It's similar to flat-earth in how easy it is to debunk.

[idunnoman1222]

the reason that this bro science works for people is that change can effectuate change EG what you’re doing isn’t working change what you are doing and that can have affect with anything, mind, immune system, you name it, I had RA and it went into remission when I just changed my diet and started eating totally different foods. Now we can say that those foods were the cure all and that everyone eat them, but maybe just change your life a bit You’re doing right now ain’t working

[theferalrobot]

Wouldn't then the cure just be to eat organic food, rather than meat of animals that were fed way worse crap than the average person? The whole premise makes no sense...

[notheyarent]

Some meats like chicken do cause flare ups for auto immune people because the chickens diets are full of crap food yes. Pork also causes a lot of people in these communities issues.

Cows on the other hand just eat grass or plain grains ... and have 7 stomachs filtering and cleaning their food.

[tuennesje]

I believe no one diet works equally for every single individual with Autoimmune conditions. For some, a plant-based diet reduces symptoms, for others like Jordan B. Peterson, and his daughter (I believe she suffered from RA) a purely meat-based diet reduced all of their symptoms. Personally, I struggle with Hashimotos, Ankylosing Spondylitis and Crohn's Disease and have to stay away from sugary foods, alcohol and caffeine or else one of the conditions will flare up. Any type of meat is fine for me however.