[hamandcheese]

> I don't know what's on zed/VSCode and what's on the TS language server.

Microsoft's latest embrace-extend-extinguish strategy is keeping just enough special sauce in (frequently closed-source) vscode extensions and out of the language servers. They do the same thing with Pyright/Pylance.

[IshKebab]

And the remote SSH and C++ extensions, though that actually has a good alternative in the Clangd extension.

I'm kind of ok with it tbh. As a monetisation strategy it's not the worst, and I have no expectation that they just do all this for free.

[cqqxo4zV46cp]

Bandwagoners are keen to class everything Microsoft does to be competitive as EEE. This is just…them building a product. Throwing their weight around, building something really good, releasing it for free, something that only a handful of other companies could do? Hell yeah! It’s shady. But it’s not EEE.

[tannhaeuser]

TS itself is lock-in. I mean, the entire point of JS is that it's portable, and there's certainly no lack of compile-to-JS languages that are already finished and have much more powerful type systems and existing libs/ecosystems.

Enjoy your VScode projects exclusively on Windows a couple years down the road, or rather, contribute to MS' coding ML models to make yourself obsolete even before. Windows already posts home everything it has gathered on you the second it connects to the net, and I'd expect vscode to as well.

But the infanterists in our profession manage to get it wrong, every single time.

[avianlyric]

Erm, you do know that a founding principle of TS, is that the “compile” step is literally just stripping out the type annotations. You could implement it with a Regex if you really wanted to.

The only place this rule is broken, is TS Enums, and that generally considered to have been a mistake, but one that too old to rectify.

[imbnwa]

>The only place this rule is broken, is TS Enums, and that generally considered to have been a mistake, but one that too old to rectify.

Why is that?

[avianlyric]

Historical accident I think. JS has no enum concept, but early on TS devs believed that enums were an important feature. To TS produces some small JS fragments for every enum to mimic enum behaviour. It’s not exactly a lot of code, or deep woven into the final output, but it is code that doesn’t have exist in the input.

Later I think people realised that enums aren’t that important, and certainly not important enough to break the golden rule. But alas it was too late. Maybe JS will get an enum concept, and then TS can drop its hack. But until then, it’s the one spot where the TS “compiler” produces output code that doesn’t exist in its input.

[eknkc]

Yeah, bun for example can execute typescript files directly. It does not include the tsc or anything, it just strips out type annotations and executes the remanining file that is valid JS.

esbuild does the same I believe.

[cqqxo4zV46cp]

Could you perhaps consider a worldview that doesn’t place you as being better than everyone else that doesn’t share your preferences? I bet you don’t think that LLMs are going to replace you, rather you’re suspending disbelief to paint the most bleak picture of the future you can come up with, and, again, maximise the blame you place on everyone that isn’t as GOOD as you!