[throwup238]

> Not sure these are comparable. Britain’s shift was led by its elites. Europe’s is closer to a dumping of its elites.

What does that mean? How is a political party funded by a bunch of generational rich right wingers dumping elites? None of these right wing parties would exist without rich people funding them. They're not grassroots movements, regardless of how they try to portray themselves.

[JumpCrisscross]

> How is a political party funded by a bunch of generational rich right wingers dumping elites?

It’s a new set of elites. Starmer is still connected and conversant with the present batch of elites.

> None of these right wing parties would exist without rich people funding them

This is true of practically every revolution outside fairy tales. (It’s why fairy tales need divine intervention and/or superpowers to be believable.)

[throwup238]

What is the new set of elites in France and Germany? How are they different from the old batch of elites?

As far as I can tell, it's all the same donors and special interests. The only difference is in the rhetorical window dressing.

You might as well be comparing Lidl and Aldi.

[JumpCrisscross]

> How are they different from the old batch of elites?

They’re in different social circles! They don’t socialise with each other. That’s the difference. Bardella is a college drop-out, for instance.

> it's all the same donors and special interests

If you aren’t looking for how subsets in that group align and reälign you’re missing the entirety of politics.