[ericfrederich]

Why Rust? Aren't you alienating Python devs from working on it?

I see that UV is bragging about being 10-100x faster than pip. In my experience the time spent in dependency resolution is dwarfed by the time making web requests and downloading packages.

Also, this isn't something that runs every time you run a Python script. It's ran once during installation of a Python package.

[rmholt]

I actually think that Python's tooling should not be written in Python. Because if yes, you end up with at least two version of Python, one to run the tooling, one to run the project.

[ModernMech]

I'm not sure of the answer, but one thing Rust has obviously bought them is native binaries for Mac/Windows/Linux. For a project that purports to be about simplicity, it's very important to have an onboarding process that doesn't replicate the problems of the Python ecosystem.

[extr]

If you are building a production app that uses python in a containerized way, you may find yourself rebuilding the containers (and reinstalling packages) multiple times per day. For us, this was often the slowest part of rebuilds. UV has dramatically sped it up.

[kzrdude]

Uv has already proven itself by being faster at every step it seems like, except maybe downloading. But notably it includes unpacking and/or copying files from cache into the new virtualenv, which is very fast.

[ivirshup]

It parallelizes downloads and checking of the packages.

It also doesn't compile .py files to .pyc at install time by default, but that just defers the cost to first import.

[dgellow]

It runs every time you build a docker image or build something in your CI

[ericfrederich]

so it take 3 seconds to run instead of 0.3? Don't get me wrong, that's a huge improvement but in my opinion not worth switching languages over

Features should be developed and tested locally before any code is pushed to a CI system. Dependency resolution should happen once while the container is being built. Containers themselves shouldn't be installing anything on the fly it should be baked in exactly once per build.

[verdverm]

Modern CI can also cache these dependency steps, through the BuildKit based tools (like Buildx/Dagger) and/or the CI itself (like GHA @cache)