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by jogjayr 705 days ago
As an Indian immigrant to Canada, it is frustrating to see people believe it's a choice. I also hear a lot of hate for the carbon tax and rebate program in Canada. I support the program, even though it costs me money.

> someone who lives in Canada and has spend so much money

Which means Canada has money. India is much poorer on a per-capita basis. They can become wealthy by developing their economy. India can't spend as much per-capita on clean energy as Canada or any other wealthy nation.

India has much more to lose from climate change compared to Canada. The heatwaves are already horrific, and many cities have water supply problems so drought due to climate change could spell disaster.

The air quality in most Indian cities is terrible. No one is burning coal for fun.

Gasoline is CA$1.81/l in Mumbai, in a country with a fraction of the per-capita income of Canada. Cars are much smaller on average and most people take public transport.

The electricity grid isn't as reliable as Canada and of course most people don't live in houses. It's mostly apartments, often with no assigned parking. Despite that I saw many electric cars and scooters on my last trip, even in small towns. I don't know how they charge. But I began to question why the US or Canada can't build enough charging for apartment-dwellers.

The "choice" India and China are making is no choice at all. They can either develop their economies or languish in poverty. Poverty means less food, less medical care, less education. It means lower life expectancy, higher infant and maternal mortality, an overall lower quality of life. Staying poor means when climate change gets worse, they'll have less money to mitigate it.

If you want developing countries to decrease their carbon emissions, invest in cheaper clean energy. Support programs and policies that give developing countries subsidies on clean energy technologies.

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India needs electricity to develop their economy. The cheapest electricity is solar.
When the sun shines, no question about it solar is the cheapest. But is it still the cheapest when you account for battery storage?

Remember, poor countries can't just print dollars to buy batteries from China. If they don't have domestic manufacturing capacity, they have to spend foreign exchange reserves to pay for the imports. That gets expensive real quick.

Developing countries also often lack the technical talent available in wealthier ones. Quickly spinning up battery manufacturing can be difficult to do.

All I'm saying is: don't assume these countries haven't done the math for themselves. Saying "just use solar" might be sound advice. But it might also be a rich person telling a poor person to buy a Costco membership because it saves money. It's objectively correct but it may not be feasible for the poor person.

If anything developing countries are more open to the cheapest solution. They can't afford to get into ideological debates about whether climate change is real or worry about saving coal jobs by promoting "clean coal".

> But is it still the cheapest when you account for battery storage?

In India where the biggest load will be air conditioning and thus correspond with sunshine? Definitely.

But the answer was different two years ago. Electricity projects are often decades in scale and takes time to propogate.

But you're right about costs. Solar and batteries are all the cost up front. Poor people and poor countries are often forced to buy more expensive things just because they can be purchased on an installment plant. A fossil fuel plant is cheaper up front but you have to continuously buy fuel. It only becomes more expensive after ten years or so.

Helping with the financing would go a long way.

India needs to focus on decreasing its birth rate, which it completely ignores. They can’t just keep making more people and expect things to world out
Are you from 1995?

India's population density (people/land) is about the same as the Netherlands. The birth rate is nearly at replacement and continues to drop, and it's still a poor country! That's nearly unprecedented.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_and_dependen...

India's birthrate is 2.01