[fooqux]

Programmers being analogous to wizards or martial artists made more sense back when one used to need to train years or decades to become one.

With age comes wisdom.

There has been a lot of good that came from making coding more accessible; I'm not trying to gatekeep. But I do think that this is one instance where the outcome is worse. The martial arts masters still unquestionably exist among us. It's just that they're now surrounded by younger, less-wise people with guns. Both types can fight an army, but only one has the wisdom to know when it's better not to.

[ilrwbwrkhv]

Yes I think there is truth to this. Something I have seen lately with Rust for example, is because the language is harder to learn, the discourse, tutorials, libraries are all much higher quality.

[leptons]

>Programmers being analogous to wizards or martial artists made more sense back when one used to need to train years or decades to become one.

You can be a shitty wizard with only one year of training, same goes for programmers.

[amar1729]

that's kind of exactly OP's point. you can get hired and call yourself a "programmer" after a year of training today ... that was not true in quite the same way 30/40 years ago. and we're in agreement that someone with a year of training is probably not all that good.

[leptons]

>you can get hired and call yourself a "programmer" after a year of training today

That might be true 3 or 4 years ago, but I find that difficult to believe in the current job market. All the programming jobs that have come across my screen lately require a 4-year CS degree. Companies aren't hiring noobs lately. They're laying off more than hiring.