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by Herbert2 5116 days ago
This is just my experience but if there has existed a common line of thinking with the rabid Java fans I've worked with, it would be closed mindedness to the point of being its own brand of Stockholm syndrome. The thinking that whatever the project at hand may be, a Java based solution is always the correct answer and there is nothing to learn from alternative platforms. I've heard "Why would anyone want to use anything other than Spring?" or "C# is shit" more than once. However, if you were to compare the experience of using Spring + Eclipse to C# + ASP.MVC + Visual Studio, you'd have to be pretty set in your ways not to admit that the latter is a much nicer platform to work with and that the Java eco-system shouldn't take something away from it. Having a standard web framework (ASP.MVC) makes .NET teams miles more efficient than the framework fragmentation that is Java web dev.

And if you're comparing it to Rails or Django, I honestly don't think you can easily find a 3 or 4 engineer Spring team that could deliver a product as good (or scalable) as Instragram in the 2 years it took them to do it in Django. You just can't iterate as fast.
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berntb 5116 days ago
>>the rabid Java fans I've worked with [closed mindedness]

It is hard to argue against anecdotal evidence, but of the cases you mention -- java, Rails, Django -- imho, it is not exactly the Java people who seem to be the worst language/framework fanatics...

(That said, scripting languages eat static languages' lunch for development speed in most every case I've seen.)

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Herbert2 5116 days ago
That kind of framework enthusiasm doesn't really stem from the closed minded mindset I was referring to. Most Ruby & Python devs I've met would admit that Java is a much better choice than their perspective languages for something like that requires distributed concurrency and speed (like Cassandra or Redis). The people I'm talking about are the ones that wouldn't look seriously at RabbitMQ because it's written in Erlang, not Java.
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berntb 5116 days ago
I got your point, I wrote that according to my personal experience the other cases are quite a bit worse. Which is worth as much as your personal stories.
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