[firesteelrain]

Neat program of internal try before you buy job rotation program. Even internally, employees have feel like they can leave or they never will. It helps both the employee and company grow.

Never a fan of constant job hopping myself - I think you need time to grow and that doesn’t mean chasing salary for your entire life. It’s important to settle somewhere for a while and learn/grow.

So it’s good if a company is big enough to find creative ways to keep employees engaged

[giantg2]

But the biggest benefit to an employee job hopping are the pay increases.

I hopped teams a few times internally and my pay has been abysmal. Many companies aren't big enough to have enough open roles at the same level and next level in the right languages for a solid career track. At least for me, every move ended up being different languages/stacks from the previous team. There was no continuity and now my career has turned into a lower paying job and I've been identified as a low performer. The unstable environment and lack of past rewards from when i was a high performer has made me unengaged.

[firesteelrain]

The problem is you will top out eventually and you may not have grown enough professionally. Then you are stuck somewhere

[giantg2]

I feel like the main reason I'm stuck is both directly and indirectly due to my disability. I believed the company about how great they are and specialized in work that needed to be done but didn't have external opportunities. And of course interviewing and changing jobs isn't easy, but is especially hard for someone like me.

[tg180]

> I think you need time to grow and that doesn’t mean chasing salary for your entire life. It’s important to settle somewhere for a while and learn/grow.

While it is indeed important to find a place where one can settle and grow, it’s crucial to recognise that the concept of personal and professional development has evolved significantly, particularly among younger generations. The meaning of "settle" has changed a lot.

Today many professionals view career growth through a different lens. For them, personal development often involves seeking new challenges, acquiring diverse skills, and gaining varied experiences, which sometimes necessitates moving between jobs. While salary is a factor in these decisions, it’s not always the most influential one.

A significant concern for many young talents is the lack of meritocratic promotion structures in many organizations. They often find themselves in environments where hierarchical seniority is valued over actual competence and performance. This can be particularly frustrating when they have to report to or work with less competent senior team members, which can stifle their growth and innovation.

Furthermore, the workplace culture plays a crucial role. Toxic environments, where outdated practices and rigid hierarchies prevail, are unappealing to young professionals who value collaboration, transparency, and inclusivity. This disparity in expectations and experiences is driving many talented individuals to seek better opportunities elsewhere.

The result of an outdated work concept, which is still encountered too frequently, is that one often ends up dealing with superiors who have grown within the company’s hierarchy (they are “settled”), possessing authority but not corresponding technical skills or respect in the eyes of their subordinates.

In the future, as the younger generation enters the workforce, this will become increasingly less acceptable.

While settling down to grow is a valuable approach, it’s equally important to understand that growth, for many professionals today, involves finding environments that foster learning, respect competence, and provide clear, merit-based paths for advancement.

[esel2k]

Formal job hopper here - but never for salary reasons more for learning and finding a good boss. But totally agree that staying somewhere and learning and grow is what keeps employees. I unfortunately went through 2 payoffs and twice I has boss that shielded me off.

My advice is keep employees engaged with constant learning and new challenges.

PS: Job hopping has such a negative connotation - I hate when people say it’s moneywise. I learned way more than staying in a endless repetitive job with a boss that shielded me off.

[fuzzy_biscuit]

I switched jobs several times over COVID, and it was always culture-related. One where I joined a FE dev and was immediately told they had a churn problem. I quickly learned why.

Sometimes job hopping is about keeping the goals you have for yourself and your career intact at the cost of some short-term 'reputation'.

HR says so often that we're 'people first' and then raises an eyebrow when you give a real accounting of the quick moves. It's so frustrating and backwards.

[esel2k]

Any advice? I really keep getting rejected by HR while when I get in via friends I normally make it to the final rounds / or it’s a startup in tech where hops don’t matter as they will check performance.

[okr]

But wait, i thought free coffee and kicker and team events with free booze will keep the employees happy!

[pndy]

Here we have "fruity" Wednesdays/Thursdays/Fridays... At least it's not the proverbial carrot on a stick - it would be too hard to catch and bite it. /s