[mthld]

Yeah. Look at all the benefits of colonization in African countries. Look at the great job we are doing. Giving them money to alienate themselves looking at the shit we produce. Such a great advancement for humanity. Thanks lord for bringing civilization to the savages

[TulliusCicero]

Trade and colonization aren't the same thing. People are taking these jobs because they're better than the alternative, sad as it is.

If developed countries all refused to outsource work like this to poorer countries, do you think that would help the condition of the people there?

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for better working conditions, but ultimately that is primarily the responsibility of the government(s) of that country.

[mthld]

And where do you think these governments comes from? Why do you think they are in such a precarious situation?

Maybe colonialism has something to do with it, hasn’t it?

[coffeebeqn]

So we should now exclude them from global labor markets because colonialism?

[TulliusCicero]

If you asked the people of these countries why their country and government are in this situation, what do you think they'd say?

[meiraleal]

You can read by yourself, Africa has leaders beyond the warlords the west make "partnerships" to steal resources. Ask them and illuminate yourself.

'The exit came as the trio shifted away from former colonial ruler France, with Tiani calling for the new bloc to become a "community far removed from the stranglehold of foreign powers." '

https://www.voanews.com/a/sahel-military-chiefs-form-confede...

[mthld]

Read for yourself: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fran%C3%A7afrique

[notjoemama]

Not great to link a wiki covering many other countries outside of Africa without specifying What exactly your point is. I read it and none of it surprised me.

You do realize a great deal of the US meddling was prompted by USSR/Russian meddling, right? I’m not giving the US a pass by saying that, but the Cold War and threat of nuclear annihilation is a backdrop to many of these events.

I'm also not going to ignore the issues the countries within Africa deal with that have nothing to do with their past of imperialism or colonialism. I could point to India as a country that reformed into a modern successful nation post colonialism. Nor ought we ignore the vast amounts of financial aid given so often to these countries. It’s a tangled difficult problem.

I suspect you have more ire than foundation.

[mthld]

The first link was wrong. I updated it to the one I intended to share, about Françafrique.

[notjoemama]

I just read this covering the history of Kenya’s colonialism and independence. (Mercy, from the article, works for a Meta office in Nairobi, Kenya)

https://www.britannica.com/place/Kenya/Kenya-colony

What about the last 60 years free of colonial rule connects to the current state today? Do you think these corporate interests stem from Kenya’s Building Bridges Initiative?

I ask because I recently listened to a podcast about China’s Belt and Road Initiative winding down in Africa. I was surprised to hear this because they had committed to a large infusion of capital with some future trade partnerships (tens of billions at least). It was set to be a massive boon for much of Africa after the US reduced its economic aid in the region. Their reasoning was (economic woes in China aside), they found too much was unstable, specifically legislatively and socially. Permits and licenses drug out where most of the time it was difficult to know which official was in charge of which responsibilities. Also, they would build a facility that would be repeatedly attacked and destroyed by warlords in the area. I believe they said it was common to lose workers to independent gangs.

Just wondering if you could expand on what you said so I can connect the same dots. I’m not understanding your critique.

[infecto]

No doubt the impact of Europe on Africa has hurt but are brining jobs to Africa a bad thing? At this point Africa probably receives more harm from its own residents than outside influences.

Nobody said anything about savages. Please don’t bring negativity into a conversation.

[solveit]

Your rhetoric falls flat against any infant mortality chart.

> alienate themselves

Sounds like a first-world problem to me.