[NotMyMorals]

these questions seemed designed to show off his own knowledge, or to challenge the instructor.

Yes, Dave was showing off to an audience of women.

she asked me a question she giggled and told me she had no idea what the project was about, or what to do.

Yes, the woman was acting like a bimbo to elicit male help.

Congrats, you now have the grasp of female/male dynamics usually figured out by middle school.

I’d never really believed in single sex education

Wow, a thousand years of human culture tossed away in one generation by ideological fanatics pretending that women and men are "equal" and one guy finally figures out maybe tradition exists for a reason. Ask any woman who went to an all-girls school if she missed having to be in the same classroom as boys.

I saw that women only groups are not creating a more insular community of women, but rather offering these women a more comfortable entrance into our general community.

Amazing! How was this brilliant guy to know he could have asked his grandmother and saved himself all that trouble?

The jerk factor also reminded me of why we in the Free Software community need to be taking issues of civility seriously, and not letting the idea of “free speech” get in the way of maintaining a safe place for discussion.

You get your group to be 50/50 male/female and you are going to drive away lots of competent men because showing off their skills, bragging, and one-upping other men is one of the primary motivations to excel at your chosen field. A "safe space" for women is often a "boring space" for men.

But sure, go ahead, I'm sure this problem will be easy to solve with just the right technical fix. In fact, I can think of one technical fix the ancient Chinese used to make "safe men" for keeping their harems.

"There are no statutes capable of controlling the relations between men and women." -- Secretary

[Confusion]

Competent men do not 'show of their skills, brag and one-up other men'. Yes, they may be technically competent, but they are socially incompetent, because they never progressed beyond that juvenile behavior. I'd gladly drive them away.

[NotMyMorals]

Competent men do not 'show of their skills, brag and one-up other men'.

Yes they most certainly do.

Yes, they may be technically competent, but they are socially incompetent, because they never progressed beyond that juvenile behavior.

Ok, now you have admitted that technically competent men may in fact exhibit those behaviors, so now you're saying they are "socially incompetent." You are wrong in both cases, highly competent men who show off their skills, brag, and dominate other men tend to be very socially competent. In fact, this sort of display is very much a demonstration of social competence.

Obviously, juveniles do this is a different way than adults, but the pattern of behavior is the same. It is also often the case that men who are being shown up will try to "tear down" the dominant male by labelling his behavior "juvenile" or trying to change the nature of the competition to something he's better at.

One might paraphrase: "sure, he's highly competent, adept at showing his skills, and is clearly superior to me at this particular activity. But he's such a show-off!"

[Confusion]

Wow, sorry, I didn't realize you were a brogrammer

[NotMyMorals]

I looked up "brogrammer."

"A popular, cool, or otherwise normal person who has become intrigued by the fun of programming. Usually unliked by the nerdy programmers for getting all of the friends and the girls, while creating cool and useful applications."

Was that meant to be an insult?

One has to wonder if "male feminists" and "nice guys" share the same delusion that "white knighting" females will increase their sexual success, and advocating "more women in tech" is an excuse to have potential mates in closer proximity, and has nothing to do with any moral crusade or actual benefit for the tech industry itself?

One wonders if "male feminists" are simply trying to compensate for their personal deficiencies?

[lotharbot]

The pejorative usage of "brogrammer" is more like "a programmer who displays all the worst characteristics normally associated with high school jocks" -- things like arrogance, misogyny, bullying, and unwarranted aggression.

(Not rendering any judgment on whether you do or don't fit this definition, just making sure everyone is clear on what was being implied above.)

[NotMyMorals]

The pejorative usage of "brogrammer" is more like "a programmer who displays all the worst characteristics normally associated with high school jocks" -- things like arrogance, misogyny, bullying, and unwarranted aggression

Who associates these characteristics with "high school jocks" and who assumes these are negative characteristics?

Arrogance (i.e., a superior male) misogyny (i.e., a man who the woman I lust after has sex with) bullying (i.e., a man who is socially superior than me) and unwarranted aggression (i.e., a male who out-competes me).

Sound like "brogrammer" means "I really envy this superior man."

[bct]

> the woman was acting like a bimbo

Classy.

[mnicole]

Laughing is a sign of nervousness, not being a bimbo in order to look cute. She probably felt out of her league despite her ability to grasp the material.

[rmc]

Do you actually compare a desire to get more women into tech with forced castration?!

[NotMyMorals]

Do you actually compare a desire to get more women into tech with forced castration?!

Did you actually read that comment as comparing the "desire to get more women into tech" with castration?

You really didn't understand that the castration reference was to a "simple technical fix" for typical male behavior, and that the reference is what is often called "hyperbole?"

You really misunderstood not only what was being compared to castration, but also the tone in which the reference was made?