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by troydavis 708 days ago
Effectively a dupe - this just got attention 3 months ago (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39672947, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39677009) and 8 months ago (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38144417).

Once a year has been suggested as the typical maximum frequency: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9775868 . Consider reposting in 2025.

Also, coordinating comments and upvotes won’t do you any favors. It’s an easy way to get all submissions banned.

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This is _not_ a repost from our perspective. This is a massive new chunk of features and content (993 pull requests from 256 contributors) including new hot-topic features like Virtual Geometry.
The GP comment is a bit overstated (I doubt anyone is going to ban Bevy posts) but Bevy has had plenty of recent exposure on HN and most release posts are moderated away on HN because the discussion is almost always about the project in general rather than the release, unless the changes are truly monumental.

A long modsplanation here:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23071428

Recent big Bevy articles:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38144417

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39412940

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36657970

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39672947

That's your last three releases plus something about a foundation, in the last year alone. It's great it's getting traction but it's also quite a bit more than most other projects as it is.

I'd rather have a few bevy posts every month than the daily deluge of AI articles.
Sure but I can't see how such a trade is either possible or on offer - it's one of the things discussed in the modsplanation blob.
The issue is that that refers to "Show HN" posts. If some engaged dev posts your updates, how is thst different from spamming every Opeani update? That's just organic interest, given that this is the one of the most well known Rust game engines, a mix of two topics that traditionally get attention here
Please reread https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9775868. It says one year since it received significant attention, not one year except when a massive chunk of features and content is added. Dan explicitly addresses that case (“but that only applies after the "significant attention" test has been passed”).
Please reread it yourself: this isn't a “show HN” submission.

The relevant comment is here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23071428

And as you can see, the criteria is “Whether or not it contains significant new information (SNI)” which is indeed exactly the opposite of what you are saying.

> to qualify as a new Show HN there needs to be some major new development, not just a new feature

One could argue a major version qualifies. Apart from the genuine dupe 3 months ago all of these are separate stories.

dang's comment also specifically covers "show hn" posts which this is not. Some clarification from dang would be helpful though.

Your quote omits the portion where Dan explicitly addressed that case. It needs to be one year since it received “significant attention,” and also major new development. Dan’s post could be worded more clearly, though.

(We’re pretty far in the weeds here, but as long as we’re here – for all intents and purposes, this is a show HN.)

>for all intents and purposes, this is a show HN

I don't really see how. Is it a Show HN because Bevy isn't a trillion dollar corporation making the news every other day?

It appears that Show HN has special algorithmic handling, which is why you would expect stricter rules.
Good point - I just linked to the first relevant explanation. pvg linked to a much longer explanation that isn’t specific to, or about, Show HN: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23071428
What a bad faith comment. How is a new version announcement a dupe? If you don’t care then you don’t have to comment.
How is a new version announcement a dupe?

Lengthy explainer here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23071428

According to this, the submission is fine: it's a major version announcement, unlike the examples given in the post, with significant changes, which rule out the “the diff between Foo 1.3.3 and the last time Foo came out is not enough to support an interestingly different discussion”
'Major' to the developers and users but the focus is on the total HN audience to whom it's neither major nor minor, it's simply another Bevy release post and there have been several of these very recently. It's a pretty straightforward release dupe, all sorts of seemingly 'major' releases from huge projects get categorized and moderated like that all the time. E.g.

https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=pastYear&page=0&prefix=tru...

The brief frontpage life of a couple of the highly upvoted ones:

https://hnrankings.info/37701860/

https://hnrankings.info/37889790/

Then why are you linking to a post where dang spends lots of tome explaining how the criteria is “Whether or not it contains significant new information (SNI)” if you believe this criteria isn't relevant?

Because there's absolutely zero doubt that this release matches this criteria.

I didn't say anything of the sort so I don't understand the question. The post looks like a completely routine release dupe to me and you can check that yourself by searching for your favourite projects with the search box at the bottom of the page. Both of the things you pasted say exactly the opposite of what you're implying, when read in their context

Here's "SNI":

That's one reason I'm using a silly acronym: SNI! — to convey that it's a specialized use of those words. When we say things like "this is not significant new information, so we're treating this post as a dupe", or even the gentlest, most watered-down and tiptoey version of that language, there are always people who feel aggrieved on the project's behalf, as if we're putting it down or belittling the hard work of its devs. This explanation is for those readers.

It's a made up term because it's a weird, made-up local meaning, it doesn't mean 'someone who uses the project might think it's significant'. So that's why I'm linking it, because it matches this submission very well.

Don’t rely on my assessment, go read https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9775868. If you disagree, don’t tell me, suggest an improvement to Dan.
You've pointing a a “Show HN”, it obviously doesn't apply to other kinds of posts (or are you gonna limit OpenAI's announcement links to once a year too ? ;)
These are different articles being posted, not dupes.
Thanks for editing out the line where you told me to go get my brain checked.
Not sure what you’re talking about. Perhaps you saw a different comment.
> don’t tell me

You are the one initiative here.

> Effectively a dupe - this just got attention 3 months ago

Wait until you realize Rust new version makes it to the front page every 6 weeks… (It's a bit less true these days because Rust release are much more boring than they used to, but it was definitely the case just a couple years back)