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The biggest thing for me with maps is the refusal to allow multiple tabs on phone.

If you're the passenger on a road trip and doing the navigation you're unable to use maps to make plans for tonight or tomorrow.

Okay the driver could be nav, but now they also need to be the music, and everytime you the passenger wants to use it to look for petrol on route or change music you have to ask their code or hold it up to their face. Plus now you see all their notifications.

Even without being on a road trip, on a desktop i'd be making plans in multiple tabs before making a decision. On a phone it's a nightmare when it could be so easy.

[lupire]

Install Maps Go for another map, and set up a Work Profile for 2 more maps.

Or use Maps in abBrowser.

Interestingly, when you have public transit navigation running, Maps is able to run "current trip" in background while you plan an alternate/additional trip.

[TeMPOraL]

Yes. Then buy another phone for up to 4 extra maps.

At this point paper maps start looking more useful than digital ones.

Google Maps is not a map. It's a half-decent nav system slash ad delivery vector, that pretends to be a map, but sucks at it.

[Retric]

That seems like complaining for no reason. It’s the default app not your only option.

You can also have functionally unlimited maps on different browser tabs not just nav apps. https://nps.maps.arcgis.com/apps/webappviewer/index.html?id=...

[high_na_euv]

Weird, Id say Google Maps is really good product

[TeMPOraL]

It's a good product. It's a bad map.

Maps are meant to help orient yourself and communicate rich information about the area. They're used for planning. Google Maps has long been moving away from this case, focusing instead on just-in-time point-by-point nav and searchable PoI database. This is an entirely different product category to a map, and has opposite goals.

[crazygringo]

Huh? Google Maps is a map.

If you don't use it for directions, then that's entirely what it is.

Sure there are a few icons for sponsored businesses, but that's all. They're easy to ignore.

The way you can pan and zoom, it's 1000x more useful than any of the road atlases I used to have to keep in my car. Looking up an address is instant rather than taking a couple of minutes on a paper atlas, and it's simple to pan and zoom the route you want to plan, without having to jump from page 30 to page 65 when you go north and try to re-locate the road you're trying to follow.

It's much more than a map, but it's crazy to say it isn't a map. Along with Apple Maps and OSM, they're basically the best maps ever made by humankind.

(And you can put down markers too, and then remove them later. Paper maps you can draw on, but erasing is hard/impossible.)

[TeMPOraL]

> The way you can pan and zoom, it's 1000x more useful than any of the road atlases I used to have to keep in my car.

Except when it cleverly hides the street names, PoIs and other important labels, as you zoom in. The way Google Maps does it is so absurd that it feels it's done on purpose.

A road atlas is a high-density map. Not the most convenient in paper form, and ripe for digitization, but not in the way Google Maps does it - information density is a feature on a map, when you're trying to orient yourself. It's only a problem when the app is optimized for navigating you to points you already know the address of.

> (And you can put down markers too, and then remove them later. Paper maps you can draw on, but erasing is hard/impossible.)

Sorta, kinda. That's another feature Google is going out of their way to make impossible to use. You can't just put markers (multiple) in the middle of a search or normal scrolling, for example.

Erasing from paper maps is easy - buy laminated ones and use dry-erase markers (or permanent markers and have some alcohol handy).

[crazygringo]

> Except when it cleverly hides the street names

It's usually fine. Sure sometimes I wish it showed more, but that's just a matter of degree. Again, still 1000x more useful than a paper atlas. If it doesn't show the street name, it does when I zoom out or in or pan a little.

> You can't just put markers (multiple) in the middle of a search or normal scrolling, for example.

During normal scrolling? Of course you can. Just click on any building, and tap "save" in the panel that appears. I just checked on desktop, and you can even do it in the middle of a search -- the panel that appears is in addition to your existing search panel. Do it as many times as you want.

> Erasing from paper maps is easy - buy laminated ones and use dry-erase markers

I've never seen a laminated road atlas, and back in the day I worked a job that required driving for hours a day to addresses I'd never been before so I was familiar with all the atlases sold at the gas station and the bookstore. You're talking about the metropolitan atlases that are 100+ pages? I can't even imagine how thick and heavy they'd be if each page was laminated. Maybe they exist.

[ukuina]

> Paper maps you can draw on, but erasing is hard/impossible

I am amused when movies show military situations where commanders draw on huge and otherwise pristine rollout maps. Are they going to be discarded after this one engagement? If not, shouldn't there be scribbles from prior uses?

[crazygringo]

The best part is when you realize the movie production did 20 takes of that scene.

And so actually did discard 20 huge, otherwise pristine props, and had another 30 waiting because they didn't know how many takes would be needed.

[Retric]

You can use multiple map apps at the same time on one phone.

Default + website (on multiple tap) are always available, but on long road trips I use Waze.

There’s also a bunch of really nice apps for things like subway maps, trails, etc.

[tnel77]

While you are correct, I think they were saying it would be nice to turn on Google Maps directions and then use the same app on the same phone to do research without disrupting the current navigation.

[Retric]

I regularly use Maps as an actual map not just a navigation system. I’d be nice if they included a topographic map view, etc but not every app needs to do everything at the same time.

Many people have serious issues even with how stripped down everything is, so IMO as a default app loaded on every device it’s a decent compromise.