[rlawson]

Yep - I switched from C/C++ to Java around 99 and compared to the pain of C++ it was an easy decision. There is a ton of business logic and line of business apps that Java was the default choice for a lot of years. If Swing had a more pleasant devx/deployment then we would be using Swing apps instead of electron.

[_mlbt]

Swing apps were also terrible for end users. The default “Metal” look and feel was just not very good, and the platform emulating ones were just uncanny valley. They never quite looked or felt right for the platform.