[0cf8612b2e1e]

I have used constraint solvers in the past, and they are truly magical in what they can do. The problem is that there are not many available resources for the novice. Most of the material you can find is how to solve sudoku (the hello world of the space) or highly technical primary research literate meant exclusively for domain experts. Which is a shame, because I think huge swaths of problems could be solved by these tools if they were more accessible. “Accessible” still meaning it requires a programmer, because shaping a problem into the constraints DSL is not going to be in the wheelhouse of most.

[cchianel]

I think the reason why these tools are not accessible as they could be is because the vast majority of solvers are MIPs (Mixed Integer Programming) based, meaning the domain need to be written down using mathematical equations. This in turn means a user would need to be familiar with both the domain and mathematics in order to correctly write constraints.

That being said, MIPs are not the only kind of solvers. There are also "local search" based constraint solvers, which does not have the restriction that each constraint must be modelled as a relation or equation of integer variables. In local search solvers, the constraints are mostly treated as a black box that tells how good a particular solution is. As a consequent, local search solvers are typically unable to find the optimal solution (since it would require testing all possible solutions because the constraint is treated as a black box), but rather finds a "near-optimal" solution in reasonable time.

One local search based solver is Timefold Solver. In it, users annotate their domain so the solver knows what are the variables and possible values. This means instead of your constraints dealing with `int`, it would deal with `Shift` and `Employee`, and can access any of their methods.

Disclosure: I work on Timefold Solver

[Exuma]

What’s a real world thing or two that this could solve vs writing code

[cchianel]

Well, you still write code. The difference is the code is written either in ordinary Python or Java and not as mathematical equations.

For example, to do the "Some employees are qualified to do either role, but others can only be a cashier, or a restocker." constraint in the article, it would be written like this:

  def required_skill(constraint_factory: ConstraintFactory):
      return (constraint_factory.for_each(Shift)
              .filter(lambda shift: shift.required_skill not in shift.employee.skills)
              .penalize(HardSoftScore.ONE_HARD)
              .as_constraint("Missing required skill")
              )

Some examples taken from Timefold quickstarts:

- Employee scheduling (https://github.com/TimefoldAI/timefold-quickstarts/tree/stab...)

- Vehicle routing (https://github.com/TimefoldAI/timefold-quickstarts/tree/stab...)

- School timetabling (https://github.com/TimefoldAI/timefold-quickstarts/tree/stab...)

[pbronez]

Great to see this math being made more accessible!

The Python examples seem to have a very strong Java smell. That might just be my prefer for functional styles over OOP styles though.

[cchianel]

Let us know how we can improve! Feel free to start a discussion (https://github.com/TimefoldAI/timefold-solver/discussions) or submit an issue (https://github.com/TimefoldAI/timefold-solver-python/issues).

We aim to treat Python as a first-class citizen (while keeping it maintainable). For instance, many of the Java methods are mapped to properties on the Python classes with more Pythonic names (see `ScoreExplanation` for an example).

I suspect what gives the Java smell is probably the `SolverFactory`/`SolverConfig`, which is a lot of boilerplate code. A lot of the code can be generated, although we would need to design an API for that.

The fluent (method chaining) API might also be giving the Java smell; I don't see many fluent API being used in Python. In particular, needing to either end lines with `\` or surround the statement with brackets make long fluent chains annoying to use. This is harder to change, since there is no Pythonic alternative that I know of for method chaining.

[dcsan]

Langchain did something overloading the | or operator in their LCEL DSL to form LLM pipelines. It feels like abusing python but it's familiar enough as a Unix syntax

[FredPret]

Knapsack problems, some simple scheduling problems, even the travelling salesman problem.

Many problems in business and manufacturing fit this bill. Optimal product mix, optimal routing, choosing the best spot for a warehouse, scheduling employees, constructing an investment protfolio, coming up with a diet that fits certain criteria, etc.

I even remember a practice problem from uni where we had to optimally distribute songs on two sides of a tape album (it was an old professor), satisfying constraints such as “each side should have a ballad” and “each side has at most x minutes of running time”.

You can do this with regular coding too, but if you can easily construct a certain kind of mathematical model of your problem, you can easily solve it with linear programming.

[jmjrawlings]

You totally nailed it. The actual syntax / API of constraint solvers are so simple they can be learned in no time at all. What actually takes time and expertise is modelling problems in this fashion and there are almost 0 real world (in size and complexity) examples out there for others to reference.

I have about 5 years of experience in MiniZinc solving scheduling problems but sadly all that code is locked behind closed doors never to be open sourced. I would love put together some fully worked constraint programming examples complete with containerisation / visualisation/ modeling etc but the barrier to doing so is finding problems that are actually worth solving and have open source data to work on.

[stergios]

If you want to get better at mathematical modelling in general I recommend a traditional text book dedicated to modeling, like the 11th edition of "Introduction to Operations Research" by Hillier and Lieberman.

As for the "mathematical equations" referred to by a parent, we're talking linear algebraic equations with perhaps a 2nd order term thrown in for quadratic models. I think these should be within the grasp of someone who wants to delve into the topic, and if not perhaps it's a good place to start dig deeper.

edited to be less of a prick.

[lloydatkinson]

What about some really solid examples for real world stuff like teacher, classroom, student, resource scheduling? Then people could derive simpler ones like normal employee scheduling too.

I’d definitely be interested in that.

[wjholden]

I agree, the theory isn't nearly as difficult as the reductions. Dennis Yurichev's "SAT/SMT by Example" (https://smt.st/) is a great resource on this topic, although pretty intimidating.

[dd82]

> Most of the material you can find is how to solve sudoku (the hello world of the space) or highly technical primary research literate meant exclusively for domain experts

Exactly. I was looking at using a sat solver for a rules engine and couldn't make heads or tails how to use it. After alot of deduction, got a basic POC working, but couldn't extend it to what was actually needed. But the gulf between toy implementations and anything more substantial was very large.

[sirwhinesalot]

SAT is kind of the assembly language of constraint solving, using a higher level paradigm like CP/SMT/ASP should be easier.

[richardw]

I’m a long time coder but a bit rusty now. Last year I built a football team optimiser using Google’s OR tools (various optional constraints like being with friends and trying to balance skill levels across teams). LLM’s can go quite far in terms of getting you into the approximately correct direction fairly quickly. They fail right now at really getting it right but I was far enough that I could then take it the rest of the way.