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by 0x073 714 days ago
Since the auto update for sublimetext to version 4 where I don't have a license for I switched to vscode and never looked back.

At first I lost my trust and then I liked vsc more.

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If you trust Microsoft of all companies you might want to reflect on if you're making rational judgements.
This thread is not about Sublime Text.
Same company.

And the funny thing is at that time I was thinking about buying sublime merge, until the st4 update happend.

It's the same company. His trust was for the company not just for a product
Trust was lost because they... released a new version of their software?
Ok for context: You got st3 with a license, and maybe plugins. St3 got regular updates to new minor versions. They brought the st4 update like the other minor version updates.

Destroyed the whole st ide setup (plugins didn't work for st4) And st3 licence can't be used for st4 (you get the st4 licence if you bought st3 some months before)

If I use st for private stuff that would be annoying, but as I use it for my work that was money.

Sorry that happened to you. We've since improved our updater to avoid this happening again, but your loss of trust is understandable. Hopefully downgrading back to ST3 was not too big of a hassle.

ST4 has full backwards compatibility for plugins, keeping the same python 3.3 ST3 shipped with, so I'm surprised your setup broke. ST3 licenses were also fully transitioned to ST4, so any license less than 3 years old covered the initial ST4 release.

Thank you for making such good software and being decent people. Sublime Text is my go-to example of a small team making quality software that puts people first. I'm very grateful.
Does ST4 require a license? I'm still on 3 and I know it doesn't require one.
(I'm working from memory, so I may bungle details)

Speaking personally, I enjoyed Sublime Text, so I was happy to pay for a license back in the day ($70 if I recall?). When v2 came out, I paid to upgrade, and again with v3. When v4 was released, I paid yet again, but after a period of normal use (a year if I recall), I got a popup informing me I'd need to pay again to keep using ST4. I felt like I'd been hoodwinked--they had sneakily switched the license from perpetual to subscription.

I assume that the switch to subscription licensing was disclosed somewhere in the small print that nobody reads. I feel that the concealment was deliberate (I suspect they'll disagree, but you know the old chestnut about the relative volume of actions and words). At that point I'd been using v4 for a year, and rolling back to v3 with my previously perpetual license would be a big hassle, and obviously I'd lose functionality.

I would have happily kept paying for upgrades, but now I doubt I'll ever spend money with those folks again.

We only have subscriptions for businesses (there's a whole separate purchase process), regular licenses cover 3 years worth of updates and are perpetual. That's a similar time period between license purchases to before ST4. We announced this change at the top of our ST4 release post and describe it when you purchase a license.

If your regular license only covered a year of updates that's certainly a bug and I suggest contacting sales@sublimetext.com so we can sort that out.

That seems strange. ST doesn't even do minor auto-updates for me, let alone upgrading to a major version. Also couldn't you just downgrade?
No we don't have automatic updates. The issue was that our updater did not warn customers that their license would not cover the newer version before updating, so those with more than 3 year old licenses were met with a "LICENSE UPGRADE REQUIRED" in the title bar. Sorry to those who were affected by this, the loss of trust is understandable.

We've since added that functionality to the updater. We also don't nag paying customers regardless of whether their license applies.

Good reply. Good products. Keep up the good work!
I added

  "update_check": false
to my Preferences.sublime-settings for ST3, seems to have solved it.
Just disable update check?