[ricopags]

Never coded a GUI app but speaking of regressions:

As a heavy windows KB user, losing the ability to alt+letter all the things to /quickly/ navigate windows apps is incredibly frustrating.

I've read that Mac OS envy infiltrated the WinUI time and while some may prefer the aesthetics, on Windows 11 apps like mspaint I can no longer navigate anywhere near as quickly.

From milliseconds to multiple seconds.

I'm incensed at this change personally, and I feel totally confused by it from the perspective of MS. In the era of AI and automation, slower screen draw times will make a significant impact to performance and energy use. I hope someone like Mark Russinovich, Kevin Scott, or Satya Nadella will notice and change course.

[hobs]

It's funny that you mentioned apple because their system shortcuts are integrated as hell and they even let you map them in the OS -> App level, way better than anything MS has ever shipped.

[jwells89]

Yep, among other things both Apple-unique and emacs-esque text navigation shortcuts are in every native textfield across all apps and anything that's a menu item in any app can have its shortcut key rebound in System Settings without any extra work on the part of third-party devs.

It's one of the reasons why longtime Mac users are disinclined towards non-native apps. Most don't bother to reproduce these behaviors, and so when you as a user go to reach for these features that you have muscle memory for and they're not there, it's like hitting a brick wall in the middle of your workflow and makes the app in question feel basic and unrefined.

[hobs]

Don't forget you can type any of those menu items in the help dialog and it will not only tell you where it is, and not only let you activate it, it will helpfully show you the deeply nested set of submenus required to activate it.

Oh and of course those shortcuts are activateable by other applications to simplify app integration.

[jimbobthrowawy]

I sorely miss that menu search feature from macOS, even though it was unity's HUD on ubuntu that got me used to it in the first place. It's a shame it didn't become a more common feature, especially for programs with hundreds of options in the menu bar.

[Hamuko]

Annoyingly enough you don't really all keyboard shortcuts out of the box even if you build natively. If you create a Button(role: .destructive).keyboardShortcut(.defaultAction) in a SwiftUI dialog, you don't get Cmd+D as the shortcut even though Finder (and I think other apps too) uses Cmd+D as the keyboard shortcut for destructive confirmation dialogs. Thankfully at least a Button without destructive role will get Enter as its keyboard shortcut in the same context.

[jwells89]

Yeah for now I keep most of my usage of SwiftUI restricted to non-Mac platforms. On macOS it’s fine for smaller bits like collectionview cells but has a number of rough edges for more major use cases.

[ricopags]

It's never been better than what MS had and if you think so you've never used the MS way as I do.

Alt+underlined letter with no menus opens opens whichever menu maps to that letter

After which any [unique, as they mostly are] underlined letter activates the press for that menu item.

There is no equivalent to the speed of this in OSX, even with third party software.

Very very happy to be proven wrong on this

[Dwedit]

At least you can hex-edit or resource-edit the Alt+Letter back into a standard windows button or menu that's missing an accelerator key. Just add the missing &.

[vel0city]

I'm confused by your alt key navigation in paint. I just opened paint and it still supports alt+key to do things in Paint.

[ricopags]

No it doesn't. Alt+space bring up the window system menu to restore/maximize/close?

Alt+f, a to save as?

Negative.

[vel0city]

Alt, f, a, p, saves as PNG, or j for jpeg, or o for other. Its changed slightly, but it is there.

Alt+space is still a shortcut, but it was repurposed.

You didn't "los[e] the ability to alt+letter all the things", they just slightly changed some of them.