[sebastos]

Yeah - I think what I'm getting at though is that you want to guard against situations where somebody accidentally doesn't set one of the fields, and yet 0 is a valid value to set on that field. You could accidentally forget to fill in latitude, and that would be bad news.

Def +1 the confusingness of how you have to explicitly check for has_latlon() to make sure you're not just getting default values of a non-existent LatLon message. The asymmetry between primitive and message-type fields in having explicit presence checking is also part of my beef. It's weird to have to teach junior devs that you can do has_* checks, but only for messages.

[hot_gril]

It's safer in a way to guard against these situations, but it seems like they don't intend you to do that often because there are more downsides outweighing it. Proto2 had the "required" feature that had its own issues. Our team trusts to some degree that the user actually read the API spec, and so far it's been ok.

I can imagine message nullness being clearer in languages with optional unwrapping like JS. Like foo.bar.baz gives an error if bar is null, and if you want default-0 you use foo.bar?.baz. Idk if that's what happens though.